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  • #16
    Originally posted by BO$$ View Post

    Would you want the users to steal your product and give it away for free? Try to see it the way the content providers see these issues and you won't be so against it anymore.
    Rediculous. Go on <insert torrent site here> and see of what use DRM is.
    They have even created alternative networks for Battlefield Bad Company 2, Battlefield 3 (in the works?), Modern Warfare 2 and dozens of other mainly-multiplayer games. There is even a LAN crack for Starcraft 2 available, which has very aggressive DRM.

    EA, the makers of Battlefield 3 even shipped their own product with a crack, because they were incapable of fixing a bug in their DRM system in time, which caused legit copies of the game to not work correctly, while the pirated versions of the game worked.

    Originally posted by BO$$ View Post

    They should probably close down some parts of the OS or obfuscate it some way. You can't have everything open when security is at stake. Remember: you own a license to use the software not the software itself.
    Please tell me you are joking!

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    • #17
      DRM is pointless. People who want to copy do. Those that will pay will if the conditions are right. Either side does not need restricted content.

      Let me give a real example. I purchased a Nexus 7 on day 1, and I got a $20 Google Play gift and free Transformers movie. I've never watched the damn thing and probably wont. If I do I will simple download it from sites like The Pirate Bay as I'd prefer to get a open version.
      If the movies I want were once off payments of a very small price and downloadable, I would buy 100% of the movies.

      The simple fact is DRM only rips off customers.

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      • #18
        Microsoft killed their OS speeds buy putting in a protected(DRM) software bus. Now everything you run on Windows takes forever to get clearance to start and talk to other applications/network.

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        • #19
          Canonical is so powerful!

          What an excellent news!
          So at this moment Canonical is working on:
          * Ubuntu TV (not finished, even no alpha version)
          * Ubuntu Phone (not finished but there is public alpha version mostly reused Android code on fundamental parts)
          * Unity Next
          * Mir - X.org/Wayland replacement (there is [non-functional] alpha version)
          * DRM support

          I'm very excited about this!
          It is very good that finally we have so powerful Linux company like Canonical.
          In the past I thought that Red Hat or Google are financially capable to do something about Linux, but I was wrong.

          What will be next?
          Canonical will acquire Google or Valve? Maybe both?
          Last edited by Danniello; 03-06-2013, 01:17 PM.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
            It's a valid issue. You want content you have to satisfy the content provider's requirements. Canonical is a company operating for profit trying to gain a larger marketshare. What do you think they'll do? Listen to some hippies on forums crying that DRM is wrong or go play with the big boys by their rules? You don't like it? Leave! Oh but wait, both OS X and Windows use DRM to restrict your content. Oh well, guess you'll have to learn to enjoy it. You always view these issues as if they are abusing you in some way but think about the content providers? Would you want the users to steal your product and give it away for free? Try to see it the way the content providers see these issues and you won't be so against it anymore.

            They should probably close down some parts of the OS or obfuscate it some way. You can't have everything open when security is at stake. Remember: you own a license to use the software not the software itself.
            Wow, I don't even know where to begin. So our choices are OSX, Windows and Ubuntu? Gee, what happened to the other distros, or *BSDs? Content providers can kiss my ass, why is it my concern to "think about" what they want when it comes to my OS choices and deciding whether or not to exclusively use FOSS?

            Then you go on to glamorize security through obscurity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Securit...uments_against). Everything can't be open when security is at stake, huh? Tell that to these guys: http://www.openssl.org/ Gosh, I hope your bank isn't using open standards to encrypt its web traffic, it's open so that means everyone can tamper with it!

            And who claimed to own Ubuntu? How about you tell us who DOES own Ubuntu Linux? The content providers? Let me know when the content providers decide to make all of Ubuntu closed source and take away our "licenses" to use any of the code.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
              " No one is trying to circuvment Steam "

              :/
              People who buy stuff on Steam, that is. For example, I often apply cracks on games I actually bought (and my collection is quite extensive, though mostly old titles), simply because I can't be arsed to always pull out the DVD or CD and have it in the drive. With Steam, I've never done that. It doesn't have an annoying copy protection scheme.

              Of course people who just want to download and play without paying (warez) will circumvent Steam.
              Last edited by RealNC; 03-06-2013, 01:29 PM.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
                Im sorry for your ignorance. A few years ago Trolltech owned Qt and they sold Qt licenses to settop box companies. That was as closed source and DRM as it gets. Hell Trolltech even went through the pain of providing ways for binary compability to shit DRM. DRM was some of Qts main business.

                I hope you learned something today. Now stop defending one of the WORST DRM offenders out there. And Nokia wasnt much better. http://arstechnica.com/information-t...bile-platform/

                Of course then Nokia realized Qt was shit and they dumped it. After that we all know Qt went down the "lets port to shit platforms like iOS and fucking blackberry." So yeah Qt is shit.
                You're an idiot, QT has nothing to do with DRM, the "examples" you posted are totally irrelevant.

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                • #23
                  Oh Ubuntu, no... first Mir and now this?

                  DRM is the root of all evil and any OS that claims to care about user freedom needs to fight against DRM.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by dee. View Post
                    DRM is the root of all evil and any OS that claims to care about user freedom needs to fight against DRM.
                    Well, that I think is pretty much the FSF position. FSF defines the degree of success of FOSS projects as being tied to the degree of freedom these projects are able to provide their users. The FSF makes it clear that from their point of view market share is not success.

                    While I can't recall Mark Shuttleworth saying so explicitly (maybe he has, I don't know, I don't follow Ubuntu that closely), I do remember a number of blog posts and press statements from him where he has implied that he consideres Canonical to be good for Linux because Canonical drives Linux adoption (market share). So it's two diametrically opposed points of view. Canonical feels that spreading Ubuntu is worth the price of spreading DRM along with it, while the FSF will probably argue that spreading a compromised system is not worth the cost of perpetuating DRM.

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                    • #25
                      Sounds sick already. In contrast Sailfish explicitly stated they don't support any DRM. Vendors can add that kind of unethical junk on top of course, but helping them do it? Way to go a slipper slope Canonical.

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                      • #26
                        ... but somehow I welcome DRM, the minute they say "we are protected" they loose all subventions, but as always... the more you have the more you want... therefor the concept of DRM will always fail ...

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by bwat47 View Post
                          You're an idiot, QT has nothing to do with DRM, the "examples" you posted are totally irrelevant.
                          funkstar is a fail of troll and a Qt hater[or GTK zealot] that no matter what you do will always find a more ridicule to embarrass himself or simply to replying to your post and get all vocal. Q will cry blood if he sees how low trolls falled after he left

                          best solution, plainly ignore him[until at least he get decent trollings]

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by jrch2k8 View Post
                            funkstar is a fail of troll and a Qt hater[or GTK zealot] that no matter what you do will always find a more ridicule to embarrass himself or simply to replying to your post and get all vocal. Q will cry blood if he sees how low trolls falled after he left

                            best solution, plainly ignore him[until at least he get decent trollings]
                            LoL. You are in total denial. Qt is used for DRM on set top boxes. Deal with it.


                            http://www.discretix.com/corporate/p...ded_Linux.html

                            http://www.it-observer.com/beep-scie...tech-team.html

                            http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/N...screen-phones/

                            Anyone claiming that Qt is not heavily invovled in the fine art of freedom fucking DRM is in TOTAL DENIAL and need medical attention ASAP.
                            Last edited by funkSTAR; 03-06-2013, 05:22 PM.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                              You can't have everything open when security is at stake.
                              Why not? Windows is closed and it's probably the most insecure system on the planet. In contrary, Open Source systems are the most secure. EDIT: or perhaps, you meant security in the mean of to not pirate games or services?

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                              • #30
                                One day we'll get rid of artificial scarcity, and we'll never have to deal with DRM or "trusted computing" again. I hope.

                                When you think about it, DRM is basically just a mild form of "trusted computing" - your computer doesn't do what you wants, only what someone else thinks you should be allowed to do with it. The only difference is that DRM is (usually) confined to one application, while "trusted computing" applies to the entire system.

                                Linux should be kept free of "trusted computing" schemes, as those are inherently offensive to the fundamental freedoms of people.

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