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  • #16
    Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
    Debian is a conservative distro. They stick to outdated technologies.
    Outdated is one way of describing things, "well known, understood and tested", would be another. I'm speaking in generalities here, but I'd be surprised if the debian developers weren't aware of the latest developments, and since they are likely to be aware of them, they must have decided to play it safe and stick with the more tried and tested ("outdated") technologies, until the new ones have a good track record.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by archibald View Post
      Outdated is one way of describing things, "well known, understood and tested", would be another. I'm speaking in generalities here, but I'd be surprised if the debian developers weren't aware of the latest developments, and since they are likely to be aware of them, they must have decided to play it safe and stick with the more tried and tested ("outdated") technologies, until the new ones have a good track record.
      I know, I <3 Debian, and switching the init system this late into a release cycle would be stupid.

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      • #18
        I am on a Debian Wheezy based distro (antiX 13 beta). It's great so far, not any less stable than Fedora 18. Has much more packages in the repository and is also suitable for old computers. Required minimum RAM for Fedora 18 768 MB RAM; for antiX 13: 128 MB RAM

        The persistant Live USB feature works as well, it is at first a bit tricky to find out how to do it though.

        I used several years Fedora as my primary system, but now this time is gone.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by DeepDayze View Post
          However its not really a good idea to do a netinstall over a wireless connection as the connection is not as stable as an Ethernet connection, but soon you can if you do trust your wifi connection.
          What's the difference between doing a netinstall via a wireless connection and updating an existing system? You can have corrupted traffic in both cases, and you can botch your system in both cases.

          I don't really have a choice anyway. I don't have a long enough Ethernet cable.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by archibald View Post
            Outdated is one way of describing things, "well known, understood and tested", would be another. I'm speaking in generalities here, but I'd be surprised if the debian developers weren't aware of the latest developments, and since they are likely to be aware of them, they must have decided to play it safe and stick with the more tried and tested ("outdated") technologies, until the new ones have a good track record.
            To extend off of that, my distributions of choice for home stuff is Arch and Gentoo because it's pretty easy to stay up-to-date with more bleeding edge stuff. Production servers on the other hand, I want something that's STABLE. Debian is my go-to distribution for servers with software that's been tried-and-proven to work (except for, you know, that one huge blunder that we never speak of).

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            • #21
              Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
              I know, I <3 Debian, and switching the init system this late into a release cycle would be stupid.
              For example, systemd

              I think that systemd could become the default init system when Debian 8.0 is released as by then it'll have matured into a rock-stable init system

              Switching to systemd from sysvinit on an existing install is rather tricky without breaking something, so maybe at install time there should be an option to select your preferred init system (sysvinit, upstart, systemd)

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              • #22
                Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                Debian is a conservative distro. They stick to outdated technologies.
                Yeah gnome is moving at warp speed right now. 3.4 is near outdated.

                LoLzzz. Gnome 3.8 is ready soon.
                http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-sh...82ca0759323585

                Too bad shitty KDE cant keep up.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
                  Yeah gnome is moving at warp speed right now. 3.4 is near outdated.

                  LoLzzz. Gnome 3.8 is ready soon.
                  http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-sh...82ca0759323585

                  Too bad shitty KDE cant keep up.
                  GNOME has never been in a worse state, dude. Listen to the GNOME devs:

                  http://blogs.gnome.org/otte/2012/07/...nto-the-abyss/

                  The transition to GNOME 3 has hurt them just like version 4.0 hurt KDE, but unlike KDE 4 which was years ahead of anything on Linux, GNOME is facing serious competition. The fact is that the KDE-GNOME duopoly is over and the age of many viable desktops has arrived. GNOME, KDE, Xfce, Unity and Cinnamon are all serious players at the moment, with a significant number of users sticking to a simpler WM+launcher+apps combo.

                  Personally, I think that this will benefit the users in the medium term.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                    GNOME has never been in a worse state, dude. Listen to the GNOME devs:

                    http://blogs.gnome.org/otte/2012/07/...nto-the-abyss/

                    The transition to GNOME 3 has hurt them just like version 4.0 hurt KDE, but unlike KDE 4 which was years ahead of anything on Linux, GNOME is facing serious competition. The fact is that the KDE-GNOME duopoly is over and the age of many viable desktops has arrived. GNOME, KDE, Xfce, Unity and Cinnamon are all serious players at the moment, with a significant number of users sticking to a simpler WM+launcher+apps combo.

                    Personally, I think that this will benefit the users in the medium term.
                    LOLzzzz. KDE is the losing part. You know it. I know it.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
                      LOLzzzz. KDE is the losing part. You know it. I know it.
                      Hardly.

                      http://www.datamation.com/open-sourc...-future-1.html

                      Sometimes, being right is no fun. Three years ago, I suggested that the Linux desktop was headed for a future dominated by KDE, and that GNOME would be at a disadvantage. Looking back, I conclude that I was right, if only approximately.

                      What I did not foresee was that GNOME 3 would not only lag behind KDE for code maturity and innovation, but fail catastrophically with users, resulting in alternative interfaces, ranging from Ubuntu's Unity to Linux Mint's re-creations of GNOME 2 in Cinnamon and Mate.

                      The collapse is so thorough that GNOME is reportedly now talking about obtaining a twenty percent share of the Linux desktop by 2020, where a few years ago its share was well over forty percent.

                      I know of no figures for traditional desktop usage in 2012, but LinuxQuestion's 2011 survey showed KDE in front, followed by Xfce. Cinnamon was too new to make the survey at all, and Mate registered only a few percent, but, like Unity, both are almost certain to do better this year.
                      But, like I said, I see this as a GREAT thing. Now the major players will be forced to interoperate and create desktop standards instead of pushing incompatible solutions.

                      DBUS was the right way to go. NetworkManager too. We need more of such universal desktop technologies. A move to Akonadi would be a good choice, for example.

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                      • #26
                        @DeepDayze

                        Basically it is possible to use systemd with wheezy but you need this as well after you installed systemd:
                        Code:
                        apt-get install --reinstall udev
                        The systemd package in Debian wheezy is very old however and i could not say it is faster than multithreaded sysvinit. It also did not work on every box, one box with old hd worked, one with ssd didn't. So i can not say if it would improve boot speed.

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                        • #27
                          there is nothing wrong with KDE 4. the problem is that there no good distros that support it. Kubuntu is attention starved, and opensuse is a usability nightmare. i tried KDE with opensuse 12.1 and it was terrible. i rather be raped with metro tiles in a cold basement then use opensuse again. and don't say fedora cuz it is broken alpha after broken alpha. we need a Ubuntu level support and love for KDE. Desktop environments are not wordpress plugins, they need talented designers and devs that are paid full time.

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                          • #28
                            So you never tried Kanotix? The latest test images you find the site of a co-developer (he also wrote the installer):

                            http://kanotix.acritox.com/

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by garegin View Post
                              there is nothing wrong with KDE 4. the problem is that there no good distros that support it. Kubuntu is attention starved, and opensuse is a usability nightmare. i tried KDE with opensuse 12.1 and it was terrible. i rather be raped with metro tiles in a cold basement then use opensuse again. and don't say fedora cuz it is broken alpha after broken alpha. we need a Ubuntu level support and love for KDE. Desktop environments are not wordpress plugins, they need talented designers and devs that are paid full time.
                              Mageia should be a good choice, and Gentoo, Arch and Debian all deliver a good vanilla KDE experience.

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                              • #30
                                Most distros has a decent KDE packege. KDE is comparatively the Gnome based DEs easier to create decent package for.
                                Last edited by Akka; 02-21-2013, 07:47 AM.

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