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  • Alan Cox Calls Fedora 18 "The Worst Red Hat Distro"

    Phoronix: Alan Cox Calls Fedora 18 "The Worst Red Hat Distro"

    Alan Cox, the venerable Linux kernel developer presently employed by Intel and an avid open-source enthusiast, has lashed out against the recent release of Fedora 18. Cox calls the new Fedora release, "the worst Red Hat distro I've ever seen." Alan ended up switching to Ubuntu as a result of his disastrous experience with Fedora 18...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTI4MjI

  • #2
    One more review that does the rounds currently and which heaps criticism especially on the installer:
    http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/fedora-18-kde.html

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    • #3
      I definitely agree that what they did to Anaconda is horrible. The installer is a steaming pile of dog feces in its current state.

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      • #4
        The anaconda installer has got the gnome-shell syndrome in UI design. Fedora gets much right, but they have made some strange decisions..

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        • #5
          Too bad Cinnamon is not available in the Ubuntu repository.

          Too bad OpenSCAD does not have syntax highlighting.

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          • #6
            If someone wants stability, he shouldn't use Fedora to begin with. It's a test bed for Red Hat.

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            • #7
              I'm very happy with Ubuntu, except for the two facts: I can't boot 12.04.1 because of my GeForce GTX550Ti and the fact Unity made my PC unusable for my mom. She never gets used to the fact Unity unnecessarily hides the windows menus and close/maximize/minimize buttons. It's hard for a user to assume they have to hover the upper bar to find those buttons. Why hide them in first place?

              And I agree with him on the orange color. It's horrible. I seriously don't know what Ubuntu's design team was thinking.

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              • #8
                It just occurred to me how dumb the name "Spherical Cow" is. What is wrong with these people?

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                • #9
                  Still Just an Anecdotal Opinion

                  Cox's prominence as a developer doesn't mean his critique of F18 is any less anecdotal or any more significant than any other opinion.

                  My own equally anecdotal experience has been considerably more positive. I installed several alphas and betas. The new Anaconda was flaky at the point, as I would expect. Still, I was always able to complete my installation and use Fedora. (Manual partitioning with multiple partitions on 4 drives.)

                  I installed "for real" with RC2. I had zero issues with the new Anaconda. I've had zero issues with using F18.

                  The new Anaconda is not at all like the old Anaconda. Many of us are very experienced with the old Anaconda, and that often translates into assertions that it was "intuitive". It wasn't, of course, we just knew how to use it.

                  The intended workflow through the new Anaconda is different and not always entirely clear. If you jump into the new Anaconda expecting it to work like the old Anaconda, you will have problems. Manual partitioning is handled in a way that is very different than in the old Anaconda. Drive identification can be confusing in one display. So, there is work to be done.

                  When faced with an unfamiliar installer/partitioner. I usually chalk up the first couple run-throughs to experience.

                  Issues/complaints/anguishing about Gnome-Shell are separate issues and shouldn't color opinions about F18. Every major desktop environment is available and can be installed, each one all by itself, if a user wishes.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by RealNC View Post
                    If someone wants stability, he shouldn't use Fedora to begin with. It's a test bed for Red Hat.
                    It's not less unstable than Ubuntu though, minus the fact they have no LTS version.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by RealNC View Post
                      If someone wants stability, he shouldn't use Fedora to begin with. It's a test bed for Red Hat.
                      BULLSHIT

                      Quote from fedoraproject.org:

                      "Fedora is a Linux-based operating system that provides users with access to the latest free and open source software, in a stable, secure and easy to manage form."

                      do you see the word STABLE in there?

                      Maybe the implementation leaves something to be desired but Fedora EXPRESSLY STATES that their distribution is STABLE.

                      RAWHIDE is the test bed, Fedora is the stable development and desktop distribution, RHEL is for mission critical servers.

                      If you see bugs in Fedora you should NOT toss up your hands and say "well it's not stable what do you expect". you should COMPLAIN LOUDLY and FILE BUG REPORTS.
                      Last edited by frantaylor; 01-23-2013, 12:06 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Edogaa View Post
                        It's not less unstable than Ubuntu though, minus the fact they have no LTS version.
                        Oh yes, it is.

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                        • #13
                          Maybe it's finally the time to actually address devastating Linux issues instead of constantly whining.

                          It's you, Linux developers, Alan Cox and Linus Torvalds included, who chose this f*cked up, absolutely broken, rolling development model. It's you, Linux developers, who get mad at it (even Linus has complained several times that userspace applications got broken due to incompatible changes in APIs).

                          Maybe it's the time to change?

                          But no, we'll have similar threads, complaints and pieces of news over and over again. And no one will do anything. No wonder people avoid Linux like a plague. In a world where no one is responsible for anything, where QA and testing are unheard of, nothing will ever be usable.

                          P. S. I for one chose CentOS 6.3 - but I'm a happy guy, 'cause I can run vanilla kernel - LTS distros are unusable as well, because the kernel development model is outright broken.

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                          • #14
                            I have used Fedora since Fedora 12 and I have to live through all the installation changes. When I am used to one, i.e. preupgrade, now they change it to fedup, meaning fed up, it throws a bunch of errors but it finishes fine. I am able to use it as I was doing before, that is as a headless server.

                            Based on that I am skeptical about updating my Fedora 16 and Fedora 17 boxes.

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                            • #15
                              The dracut stuff really is buggy.

                              Originally posted by joncr View Post
                              Cox's prominence as a developer doesn't mean his critique of F18 is any less anecdotal or any more significant than any other opinion.
                              dracut failed to include the /etc/mdadm.conf file on one of my machines, which meant that the RAID array did not assemble correctly.

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