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  • Fedora 18 Has Been Delayed Once More

    Phoronix: Fedora 18 Has Been Delayed Once More

    Fedora 18 has been delayed by one week following a Go/No-Go meeting on Thursday...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTI2NzU

  • #2
    Why not simply skip fedora 18, and release fedora 19 on time? I mean it has been delayed for half the cycle already.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by jan1024188 View Post
      Why not simply skip fedora 18, and release fedora 19 on time? I mean it has been delayed for half the cycle already.
      Fedora 19 is not delayed by fedora 18, it just mean 18 will be supported for a shorter amount of time once release.

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      • #4
        I prefer Fedora over Ubuntu (used to rpm from way back) and run F17 currently. Today I tried the F18 beta... what a disaster! That is, the system is fine I guess, but the new installer is a joke! Reading the reasoning for the new Anaconda installer and then seeing what they've done, it's scary how much they contradict them selves. The whitespace is even worse now, the "Hub" system is not better in any way, the usability is worse and the partitioner makes me doubt what I'm supposed to do (and is so crashy!). Maybe it is a better foundation code wise, but I am so disappointed that this installer is the reason for all the delays.

        I'll skip F18 because of this and won't recommend it, and probably take a long break from Fedora when I'm done with F17. Not that my opinion matters to the Fedora/RH people, but damn this direction they are taking, the reasoning and execution, very incompetent IMO.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by numasan View Post
          I prefer Fedora over Ubuntu (used to rpm from way back) and run F17 currently. Today I tried the F18 beta... what a disaster! That is, the system is fine I guess, but the new installer is a joke! Reading the reasoning for the new Anaconda installer and then seeing what they've done, it's scary how much they contradict them selves. The whitespace is even worse now, the "Hub" system is not better in any way, the usability is worse and the partitioner makes me doubt what I'm supposed to do (and is so crashy!). Maybe it is a better foundation code wise, but I am so disappointed that this installer is the reason for all the delays.

          I'll skip F18 because of this and won't recommend it, and probably take a long break from Fedora when I'm done with F17. Not that my opinion matters to the Fedora/RH people, but damn this direction they are taking, the reasoning and execution, very incompetent IMO.
          I think they should have postponed new installer till fedora 19 and released fedora 18 on schedule. Instead they decided to postpone whole release, to include something that is rushed, buggy, unpolished. Not a terribly good idea.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by numasan View Post
            I prefer Fedora over Ubuntu (used to rpm from way back) and run F17 currently. Today I tried the F18 beta... what a disaster! That is, the system is fine I guess, but the new installer is a joke! Reading the reasoning for the new Anaconda installer and then seeing what they've done, it's scary how much they contradict them selves. The whitespace is even worse now, the "Hub" system is not better in any way, the usability is worse and the partitioner makes me doubt what I'm supposed to do (and is so crashy!). Maybe it is a better foundation code wise, but I am so disappointed that this installer is the reason for all the delays.

            I'll skip F18 because of this and won't recommend it, and probably take a long break from Fedora when I'm done with F17. Not that my opinion matters to the Fedora/RH people, but damn this direction they are taking, the reasoning and execution, very incompetent IMO.
            I was distro-hopping a lot lately and finally settled with Fedora 17 yesterday. To my surprise, Gnome Shell isn't as bad as people make it out to be. In fact, I quite like it. (Please don't hit me :-D)
            I used to run Arch Linux with testing repo enabled, so I was living on the bleeding bleeding edge, but what I'm hearing about Fedora development is really scary.

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            • #7
              I've been with fedora since fedora core 4, so I've been thru few failures. I don't think shitty installer would prevent me from f18, but I will try debian today

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              • #8
                Rolling release.....

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DanL View Post
                  Rolling release.....
                  +1 ... Fedora being on the cutting edge is perfectly good to take this market spot. Arch can be the rolling for the bleeding edge types

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DanL View Post
                    Rolling release.....
                    Rawhide, Fedora development, is a rolling release.

                    Originally posted by numasan
                    That is, the system is fine I guess, but the new installer is a joke! Reading the reasoning for the new Anaconda installer and then seeing what they've done, it's scary how much they contradict them selves. The whitespace is even worse now, the "Hub" system is not better in any way, the usability is worse and the partitioner makes me doubt what I'm supposed to do (and is so crashy!). Maybe it is a better foundation code wise, but I am so disappointed that this installer is the reason for all the delays.
                    On Fedora 18 TC3, the installer functionally is improved. On the plus side, the hub system gives an user a preview of configuration free to edit. Concerning the partition, developers acknowledge the difficulty to design the layout and the oversight for neglecting upgrade from existing partition. So far, these issue are improving. Let's not forget the release early, release often.

                    Concerning the delay of F18, remember that Fedora 5 was one of few release with 9 months of development due to major change of infrastructure. Considering the change of board,
                    mistakes happen which is part of learning experience.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by finalzone View Post
                      Rawhide, Fedora development, is a rolling release.


                      On Fedora 18 TC3, the installer functionally is improved. On the plus side, the hub system gives an user a preview of configuration free to edit. Concerning the partition, developers acknowledge the difficulty to design the layout and the oversight for neglecting upgrade from existing partition. So far, these issue are improving. Let's not forget the release early, release often.

                      Concerning the delay of F18, remember that Fedora 5 was one of few release with 9 months of development due to major change of infrastructure. Considering the change of board,
                      mistakes happen which is part of learning experience.

                      Yea, but rawhide is development version. We would like a rolling release as a 'stable' version.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by jan1024188 View Post
                        Yea, but rawhide is development version. We would like a rolling release as a 'stable' version.
                        Fuduntu is one of them.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by finalzone View Post
                          Fuduntu is one of them.
                          Fuduntu is not Fedora, its custom distro, that happens to be rolling release.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jan1024188 View Post
                            Yea, but rawhide is development version. We would like a rolling release as a 'stable' version.
                            I think rolling release as as "stable" version is essentially somewhat a self contradictory request. Rolling releases are by definition very fluid and they do require manual intervention or extra maintenance from time to time simply because the latest versions are sometimes not the most stable versions and take time to test and mature in the real world and users who want the very latest sometimes have to suffer through some amount of issues and probably are willing to go through that hassle. There is an effort to make Rawhide more usable and reduce the level of breakages there to serve partly the audience that wants rolling release but mostly in the idea that development versions being more usable would invite more testers to provide early feedback and subsequently make the actual stable releases .... more "stable".

                            Fedora, I don't think really has the resources to maintain one more branch to satisfy the users who want a rolling release and a rolling release does not seem to be want all the users or even majority of Fedora users want . So within the resource contraints and in the interest of Fedora as a community, I think focusing on Rawhide for now makes better sense.

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                            • #15
                              I has upgraded my fedora 17 to 18 using FedUP and preugrade online plus i have the unstable kde repo enabled wich automatically installed kde 4.10 RC all and all was a pleasant update, all i had to do was to remove old .kde config file in /home directory. And today i just received update to latest 3.7 kernel.In my experience fedora is almost like semi-rolling distro i dont know other distro that updates kernel so often.I myself did enough distro hopping but i like fedora for bleeding edge software the provides. And i only speak for myself in my experience on my hardware is pretty stable, no crashes to make my system unbootable, kde runs very well, small memory footprint on my AMD thinkpad edge13. So i myself recomend http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedUp. In closing for me fedora is the best of both world cutting edge enough and fast kernel updates and not boring at all.

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