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    Phoronix: The Future Of Fedora Gets Debated, Again

    Being hotly discussed this weekend within the Fedora development camp is in regards to the future direction of the Linux distribution...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTI0Njg

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    Wow, even Fedora developers have finally realized people need something stable and supported for a long time.

    Alas, LTS distros are also unusable given the current Linux development model.

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    • #3
      "Radej has witnessed that most of the Fedora mailing list discussions end up degrading into scolding and personal insults rather than accepting constructive criticism"

      quelle suprise


      This is how you fix fedora:

      - the rpmfusion repos are integrated in the normal repos

      - make a fedora software center a la ubuntu

      - make yearly releases, one a year, and support those releases for one extra year. fedora 2013 will be supported for 2013 and 2014 even if there's a fedora 2014 already.

      - adopt the most popular gnome extensions and theme it so it looks good.




      there

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
        This is how you fix fedora:

        - the rpmfusion repos are integrated in the normal repos

        - make a fedora software center a la ubuntu

        - make yearly releases, one a year, and support those releases for one extra year. fedora 2013 will be supported for 2013 and 2014 even if there's a fedora 2014 already.

        - adopt the most popular gnome extensions and theme it so it looks good.
        rpmfusion - never (DMCA and shit)
        software center - what for when there's PackageKit
        make sense, but release every second year - support for at least three years
        no comments - I don't use Gnome

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        • #5
          Fedora_has_obsolete_packages

          I'm using Fedora 18 Nightly Build and Fedora has very obsolete packages (example: fotoxx, xboard, lazarus). I have contacte the maintainers, but they didn't do anything.


          eduardojorge

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          • #6
            Originally posted by eduardojorge View Post
            I'm using Fedora 18 Nightly Build and Fedora has very obsolete packages (example: fotoxx, xboard, lazarus). I have contacte the maintainers, but they didn't do anything.


            eduardojorge
            I wonder how many people have gone through the hassle of following the procedures outlined here: Fedora's policy for nonresponsive package maintainers - it's inhuman and looks more like an insult, than something you can and will want to do. In short - Fedora's developers do not give a fuck about their own distro.

            The sad fact of life is that there are hundreds of unmaintained packages in Fedora.
            Last edited by birdie; 12-09-2012, 08:52 AM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by birdie View Post
              Wow, even Fedora developers have finally realized people need something stable and supported for a long time.
              That's what RHEL and CentOS are for. Fedora needs to become a rolling-release distro, focusing on the Rawhide branch and GNOME development. They put too much time/energy into trying to get a perfect snapshot/release of something inherently chaotic (the bleeding edge of Linux).

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              • #8
                Originally posted by eduardojorge View Post
                I'm using Fedora 18 Nightly Build and Fedora has very obsolete packages (example: fotoxx, xboard, lazarus). I have contacte the maintainers, but they didn't do anything.
                Same story with gtick and docky:
                https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=808611
                https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=808747

                It is very sad actually, since even Debian now has these packages updated.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DanL View Post
                  That's what RHEL and CentOS are for. Fedora needs to become a rolling-release distro, focusing on the Rawhide branch and GNOME development. They put too much time/energy into trying to get a perfect snapshot/release of something inherently chaotic (the bleeding edge of Linux).
                  This, this, a million times this!

                  I want a true rolling distribution that is on the cutting edge, yet not bleeding edge.

                  Then they could also release about once every 2 years a snapshot tagged as LTS version that would have support like ubuntu LTS has.

                  Stable&worry-free for casual users via LTS & on the cutting edge for enthusiasts via fedora-next.

                  RHEL would still have its purpose for business/server.
                  Last edited by varikonniemi; 12-09-2012, 11:54 AM.

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                  • #10
                    A new snapshot every 2 years? We already have Debian, and we all know it's not what current Fedora users would like to see.

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                    • #11
                      nah

                      does not make sense


                      you talk about 'average users'


                      your average user is not using linux... it is using mint/ubuntu whatevers.

                      People that use linux are expected to know how to add extra repos and compile etc...


                      now

                      the choice fedora has to make is:

                      - we want to appeal to a wider audience and become mainstrem? (this would entail what I've written above)

                      - we might as well go rolling since that's what our old core audience wants

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
                        nah

                        does not make sense


                        you talk about 'average users'


                        your average user is not using linux... it is using mint/ubuntu whatevers.

                        People that use linux are expected to know how to add extra repos and compile etc...
                        Are you seriously that bigoted that you don't consider certain distros Linux because they're easy to use? So, according to your logic, I should shun all Ubuntu and Mint users because I use Arch?
                        What an idiotic thing to say!

                        People that use Linux aren't expected to do or know anything specifically.
                        Fedora users are expected to know a know more than average Ubuntu users. That doesn't mean that Ubuntu users aren't Linux users. Idiot.

                        Now, I think Fedora should either go with true rolling (like arch and gentoo), semi-rolling (Slackware), or just stick with their 6-month cycle. Fedora is used more as a test bed for RHEL. Having an annual+ release would defeat this purpose. That's why I think semi-rolling would make the most sense. RHEL has an actual version from which to freeze source code and whatnot, plus you don't have to worry about a hard release cycle.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by birdie View Post
                          rpmfusion - never (DMCA and shit)
                          software center - what for when there's PackageKit
                          make sense, but release every second year - support for at least three years
                          no comments - I don't use Gnome
                          Gnome-packagekit is just awful in its current state. You can't find anything unless you know the name of the package you are looking for, and in that case you'd just use YUM anyway. The advantage of the ubuntu software center is discoverability, ratings, and user reviews.

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                          • #14
                            i've got a solution to the http://tmrepository.com/trademarks/b...ceddeathmarch/.
                            it's called bundles and chakra uses it. why can't all the other mainstream distros.

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                            • #15
                              Yesterday, I did install F18-rc1(pre), oh god, that installer is in terrible shape... I was on IRC too to report things and I managed to count 17 ways of failing to install Fedora (anaconda crash) on like 25 attempts (installed on 3 computers and failed some times in the same traps). Really, I hope they revert the installer to F17 and give it another 6 month. Pushing on some things, like the installer before it's ready is really, really bad.

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