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  • #16
    Originally posted by oliver View Post
    On a tablet? Absolutely. I would get that (maybe a slimmed down light version of ubuntu, ubuntu-light. Well gbuntu ).
    Yeah, only a slimmed down version could work on a tablet. They are low-power devices, and having all these fancy effects is just crazy. Add the LLVM requirement, add a software keyboard requirement, and add the fact that all scrollbars on Unity are one pixel wide, and you can see how Ubuntu is not really meant for tablets either. Only something that is specifically tailored for tablets, like Plasma Active or the Mer UXs, works well on tablets.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by oliver View Post
      Now it's time to look for a new distro I guess.
      Or just apt-get install xubuntu-desktop

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      • #18
        Originally posted by DanL View Post
        No, it's not insane. Canonical is moving in the "we don't care if your old-ass/underpowered machine works with our main distro/DE" direction. They tried to support those users with Unity2D, but Unity2D lost its main dev and it's dead. Those users will just have to use K/X/Lubuntu (or another distro more suited for their machine) instead of holding back the rest of the community.
        I don't agree with some of Canonical's decisions (I use Debian nowadays), but this isn't one of them. They obviously want compiz on the LiveCD and not taking up space with the metacity binary.
        I'm almost exactly like you, although I recently ditched Debian for Arch since Debian was failing to get the simplest things done for no apparent reason.

        Ubuntu is becoming a modern mainstream distro, designed for mainstream systems. While i too feel many of canonicals decisions are, simply put, stupid, many of them are beginning to make sense. Ubuntu isn't about having the most compatible and resource friendly system, its about making linux a deskop PC. Ubuntu also doesn't intend to follow the linux philosophy entirely. Don't treat Ubuntu as a one-size-fits-all distro and it won't seem so stupid. Also, with Steam basically endorsing Ubuntu and vise versa, neither of them wants to be the blame for people getting glitches. The computers that won't run Ubuntu won't work well with steam either.

        The only serious problem I see is Ubuntu is basically the linux standard and so these decisions of canonical, smart or stupid, or successful or failed, are going to give the wrong impression of what linux REALLY is.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
          Ubuntu isn't about having the most compatible and resource friendly system, its about making linux a deskop PC.
          They're going a funny way about it, then. Unity works fairly well on my netbook, but it's a disaster on a larger screen.

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          • #20
            Debian

            Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
            I'm almost exactly like you, although I recently ditched Debian for Arch since Debian was failing to get the simplest things done for no apparent reason.
            It is a normal part of the Debian life cycle. A code freeze is announced and all effort goes into the testing branch to squash every bug possible before the next stable release. Multiply that for all the architectures supported. That is the way it has always been. That is why Debian Stable is so stable. The next Debian will be Gnome 3.4 based, and Xfce4 will be 4.8, and that is not going to change. If you want bleeding edge you need to run Sid and dip into experimental, and you really need to know what you are doing. Once Wheezy is released there will be an explosion of activity in Sid and so the cycle begins again.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by grege View Post
              It is a normal part of the Debian life cycle. A code freeze is announced and all effort goes into the testing branch to squash every bug possible before the next stable release. Multiply that for all the architectures supported. That is the way it has always been. That is why Debian Stable is so stable. The next Debian will be Gnome 3.4 based, and Xfce4 will be 4.8, and that is not going to change. If you want bleeding edge you need to run Sid and dip into experimental, and you really need to know what you are doing. Once Wheezy is released there will be an explosion of activity in Sid and so the cycle begins again.

              actually I did run Sid and for a while i did experimental too. I personally have found the stable and unstable branches weren't all that stable either. I've had squeeze fail on me before from an update. I also don't find Sid to be that bleeding edge. Last time i checked its still using the 3.2 kernel. I chose Debian over Ubuntu because i found it to be more reliable and i find the half-year release dates annoying. I chose Debian over other distros because of compatibility. But, I've found Arch is actually more compatible and once set up, it's easier to use.

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              • #22
                Debian

                Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
                I also don't find Sid to be that bleeding edge. Last time i checked its still using the 3.2 kernel.
                Getting off topic, but anyhow ...

                No argument from me. You have to dip into experimental to get the really new stuff. Even Ubuntu with their six monthly updates is miles newer than Sid at the moment. I run Sid with a 3.6 kernel and Gnome 3.6. I have tried Arch and it is a fine distro, I just have more than ten years of usage of Debian/Ubuntu/Sidux et al and I am stuck in my ways.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by talvik View Post
                  Metacity is the most reliable WM on Linux. It's the WM with the best behavior and compatibility with apps and toolkits (probably because everyone targets it).
                  Bullshit. It couldn't even handle GIMP properly and to enable compositions you had to edit text files (stupidness of gnome). It looses with kwin and xfce WM as well.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by timofonic View Post
                    Maybe I'm too much paranoid, but Canonical decisons about Ubuntu make me think it is a conspiracy plan to destroy Linux.

                    Things are done too bad in the basic common sense way, even if they don't have so much qualified developers in the team.

                    That's why somewhat improved "forks" like Linux Mint work better than Ubuntu..
                    That's just too bit paranoid. Ubuntu with cooperation with VALVE and nVIDIA should become quite solid system (but I think KDE and Cinnamon are far better). However, if there's someone that wants Linux to be killed it's Icaza and some idiots from gnome camp who do everything to make gnome unusable.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                      [..] some people are actively trying to kill linux desktop.
                      People like you?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by blinxwang View Post
                        You're thinking of the Miguel De Icaza and the GNOME design team.
                        You're just making it really obvious that you know nothing about GNOME (during 2.x and 3.x timeframe).

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by timofonic View Post
                          Maybe I'm too much paranoid, but Canonical decisons about Ubuntu make me think it is a conspiracy plan to destroy Linux.

                          Things are done too bad in the basic common sense way, even if they don't have so much qualified developers in the team.

                          That's why somewhat improved "forks" like Linux Mint work better than Ubuntu..
                          Working with valve to get games on Linux, does not look like an smart way to kill Linux....

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by kraftman View Post
                            Bullshit. It couldn't even handle GIMP properly and to enable compositions you had to edit text files (stupidness of gnome). It looses with kwin and xfce WM as well.
                            That is correct btw. Configuration has always been as ugly as fsck on gnome.

                            BTW, debian here with (old revision of) compiz. I had zero crashes or graphical glitches.....!

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                            • #29
                              I do love customization options so I can set up things just the way I like them. Does that mean I should stay away from Unity and GNOME?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by FutureSuture View Post
                                I do love customization options so I can set up things just the way I like them. Does that mean I should stay away from Unity and GNOME?
                                Gnome is fairly customizable (see https://extensions.gnome.org/). Unity, however, is not. That doesn't mean Unity is bad, it works for a lot of people (not that I'm a huge fan of it either).

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