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  • #16
    Originally posted by TheBlackCat View Post
    I am not sure whether you just don't have any clue how distribution releases are done, or whether you will take any opportunity imaginable to flame anything remotely related to KDE or Qt even if you know the flame is baseless.
    He's not trolling and it's not about Qt/KDE, it's a known problem of the 9 months release cycle OpenSuse is using: every second release will come out with an outdated KDE or Gnome, as both KDE and Gnome have 6 months release cycles. Some can live with this downside and some not.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Ansla View Post
      it's a known problem of the 9 months release cycle OpenSuse is using:
      It's not a "problem". openSUSE does support upstream releases as well. It's the nature of the various projects that make up a distro's release cycles. If you were to wait on every upcoming release of a project that was in beta during development you would never have a released product. It is not like Gnome, the kernel, KDE, etc all release at the same time. If you want those items then you can also use Tumbleweed that provides the latest official releases of the projects as well as the project repositories. Ubuntu for example doesn't do any better nor does Fedora. Heck, if you wish you can even enable the upstream repositories during installation with openSUSE. Changing to a "release every xxx month" release cycle doesn't change anything. In fact shortening a release cycle just means having to support more releases at once and seeing all to often bugs filed and classified "to be fixed in next distro release".

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      • #18
        Originally posted by deanjo View Post
        It is not like Gnome, the kernel, KDE, etc all release at the same time.
        Both KDE and Gnome have release schedules in sync with Ubuntu. Regular users don't see anything except for the DE so they rarely care if the kernel or the X server is not the latest.

        Originally posted by deanjo View Post
        If you want those items then you can also use Tumbleweed that provides the latest official releases of the projects as well as the project repositories.
        Users of Tumbleweed probably don't care too much when a new relese comes out.

        Originally posted by deanjo View Post
        Ubuntu for example doesn't do any better nor does Fedora.
        Like I said, both KDE and Gnome are synchronized to Ubuntu so when a new Ubuntu will come out it will always have both brand new KDE and Gnome. Though you are right that changing to a 6 months release cycle that is not in sync with Ubuntu would be worse then the current one.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Ansla View Post
          Both KDE and Gnome have release schedules in sync with Ubuntu. Regular users don't see anything except for the DE so they rarely care if the kernel or the X server is not the latest.

          Like I said, both KDE and Gnome are synchronized to Ubuntu so when a new Ubuntu will come out it will always have both brand new KDE and Gnome. Though you are right that changing to a 6 months release cycle that is not in sync with Ubuntu would be worse then the current one.

          Completely wrong. Take a look at KDE's release schedule past and present. They do not coincide with April and October releases nor do they have set 6 month cycle plans.

          http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules

          I should also note that openSUSE did switch once to a 6 month plan. After seeing the instability it created with the OS the community overwhelmingly decided to go back to a longer release cycle. They preferred stability to cutting edge. Out of that two decisions were made. 1) to officially support optional upstream releases of desktops and 2) gave birth to tumbleweed for those who want the leading edge of the official releases of other packages such as the kernel.
          Last edited by deanjo; 09-07-2012, 11:42 AM.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by deanjo View Post
            All the reasons why it is my distro of choice.
            Same here!

            On a side note, when I installed 12.2 I had to disable KMS because the installer would hard lock while booting. I want to say this has to do with nouveau, plymouth, and my 670gtx not playing well together. Other than that I did a minimal X install then added Kde 3.5 from the build service.

            Happy Camper here <----

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            • #21
              In sync with Ubuntu doesn't mean they release in April/October, as that will asure Ubuntu will not include them, instead they release in January/July, just in time for the feature freeze. Don't forget hat this discution started because KDE 4.9 was released before OpenSuse 12.2 and yet didn't get included as it was released after the feature freeze.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                I should also note that openSUSE did switch once to a 6 month plan. After seeing the instability it created with the OS the community overwhelmingly decided to go back to a longer release cycle. They preferred stability to cutting edge. Out of that two decisions were made. 1) to officially support optional upstream releases of desktops and 2) gave birth to tumbleweed for those who want the leading edge of the official releases of other packages such as the kernel.
                So how does this contradict what I said initialy? Ubuntu choose to have current version of the DEs and worse quality while OpenSuse choose to have quality and sometimes lag behind latest versions of DEs in their releases (fixed with tumbleweed).
                BTW, while my disto of choice is Gentoo I also have a machine running a binary distribution, and for that I use OpenSuse.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Ansla View Post
                  In sync with Ubuntu doesn't mean they release in April/October, as that will asure Ubuntu will not include them, instead they release in January/July, just in time for the feature freeze. Don't forget hat this discution started because KDE 4.9 was released before OpenSuse 12.2 and yet didn't get included as it was released after the feature freeze.
                  Look at the release history of KDE, especially 4.0+ they do not "sync" to even a Jan/July time frame. You are seeing a pattern that does not exist. One could just as easily say the moon phase syncs up with Ubuntu. Ubuntu just uses what is current at the time of the feature freeze, just like openSUSE.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Ansla View Post
                    So how does this contradict what I said initialy?
                    What I have an issue with on your comment is implying that KDE synchronizes it's releases to Ubuntu releases which is not the case at all. KDE releases occur whenever they are ready to be released. Not to the marching drum of Ubuntu's release schedule.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                      What I have an issue with on your comment is implying that KDE synchronizes it's releases to Ubuntu releases which is not the case at all. KDE releases occur whenever they are ready to be released. Not to the marching drum of Ubuntu's release schedule.
                      According to Wikipedia (please let me know if there is an official page with the dates that is more acurate):
                      KDE 4.0 was released on 11 January 2008
                      KDE 4.1 was released on 29 July 2008
                      KDE 4.2 was released on 27 January 2009
                      KDE 4.3 was released on 4 August 2009
                      KDE SC 4.4 was released on 9 February 2010
                      KDE SC 4.5 was released on 10 August 2010
                      KDE SC 4.6 was released on 26 January 2011
                      KDE SC 4.7 was released on July 28, 2011
                      Releases 4.8 were made available on 25 January 2012
                      KDE SC 4.9 was made available on 1 August 2012
                      And KDE 4.10 is scheduled for 23 January 2013. So ok, some of them slipped to early February/August, I'm not aware of any of them not making the Ubuntu feature freeze. And don't tell me I'm imagining KDE has a 6 months release cycle.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Ansla View Post
                        And KDE 4.10 is scheduled for 23 January 2013. So ok, some of them slipped to early February/August, I'm not aware of any of them not making the Ubuntu feature freeze. And don't tell me I'm imagining KDE has a 6 months release cycle.
                        If I recall corectly the decision at the time included a number of factors, including:

                        -KDE had tried to do releases around January and July, even before Ubuntu existed, although since they didn't have a fixed release schedule prior to 4.0 it often slipped
                        -In terms of holidays it worked well
                        -It worked with the release schedules of a bunch of distros at the time. Ubuntu was among those, but it was not the only one they wanted to work with nor do I recall it getting particular consideration (in fact I recall some people wanting to make sure they didn't give Ubuntu special treatment with their scheduling).

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                          One could just as easily say the moon phase syncs up with Ubuntu.
                          Please don't give Mark Shuttleworth any ideas. "Hmmm.....LUnity....."

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                          • #28
                            KDE didn't exactly sync the release cycle to Ubuntu. KDE synced to GNOME’s but shifted it by two months to make sure that one does not steal the other’s media attention by releasing too close together.
                            Ubuntu (and Fedora) also synced to GNOME’s cycle.

                            Aside from (K)Ubuntu and Fedora, back then Mandriva was still prominent, KDE-focused and also had a 6-months cycle.

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