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  • Canonical Comments On The Unity 2D Defenestration

    Phoronix: Canonical Comments On The Unity 2D Defenestration

    Jason Warner, the Ubuntu Desktop Manager at Canonical, acknowledges that dropping Unity 2D and going with Unity-Over-LLVMpipe may lead to some regressions and that some users will want to stick to Ubuntu 12.04 LTS or switch to another desktop environment...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTE2Mjc

  • #2
    The answer is to wait for Mint 14, which should be out shortly after Ubuntu 12.10. Especially with the Cinnamon UI.

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    • #3
      I find it impressive that he recommends alternative desktops, admitting that unity is not a fit-them-all solution.

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      • #4
        Hoping for LLVMpipe to pick up the slack / iron out the issues is wishful thinking. Unity 3D will simply not be usable without hardware acceleration on the low end of the spectrum. On Ivy Bridge / Haswell and later, it'll work fine, but on systems that don't support GL2 because the hardware doesn't, you aren't going to get good performance, period.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by allquixotic View Post
          Hoping for LLVMpipe to pick up the slack / iron out the issues is wishful thinking. Unity 3D will simply not be usable without hardware acceleration on the low end of the spectrum. On Ivy Bridge / Haswell and later, it'll work fine, but on systems that don't support GL2 because the hardware doesn't, you aren't going to get good performance, period.
          Well Ubuntu did choose to fight the problem at the right leve. Bad rendering is a matter of fixing drivers and getting the right hardware. reinventing UIs is not the solution. Who want QML anyway these days? It is less of focus for the ever-changing Qt-owner. No need to hype QML, Qt has its own marketing division, they can do the talking. Qt on windows/IOS/anything non-linux is the hot stuff right now. Canonical knows and they are backing.

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          • #6
            When Ubuntu adopts Wayland, are they finally going to get rid of Compiz?

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            • #7
              Why Unity over LLVMpipe?

              LLVMpipe only works decently on modern CPUs.
              All modern CPUs now have built-in GPUs too.

              So whats the point of Unity over LLVMpipe?
              It won't benefit users with modern CPU since they already have a GPU, and it wont benefit users of older CPUs because LLVMpipe don't work good without AVX and new stuff from modern CPUs.

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              • #8
                What about disable features?

                What about when hardware-accelerated rendering does not work, it falls back to a limited Unity where certain graphical features are removed, such as shadows?

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                • #9
                  "systems with decently modern CPU architectures and non-GPU accelerated hardware should be able to run Unity"

                  Which exactly are those? Pentium 4/Pentium M definitely not. It's too old and doesn't provide proper GPU, let alone CPU acceleration. Core Duo neither. It's too modern and pretty capable for hardware GPU acceleration. The same can be said about contemporary AMD offers. So what CPUs is he talking about?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Dukenukemx View Post
                    The answer is to wait for Mint 14, which should be out shortly after Ubuntu 12.10. Especially with the Cinnamon UI.
                    cinnamon being a fork of gnome shell isnt going to use LLVMPIPE ?

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                    • #11
                      meh 64bit !

                      its going to be probably superseeded by x32 anyway.

                      also it doesnt seem to be that popular at least on ubuntu.

                      I think canonical will go directly from recommending 32 to x32. Which is suppose to have all the advantages of both 64 and 32.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by madjr View Post
                        its going to be probably superseeded by x32 anyway. [...] I think canonical will go directly from recommending 32 to x32. Which is suppose to have all the advantages of both 64 and 32.
                        No it isn't and no it doesn't. Here's a good read about the subject.

                        Originally posted by madjr View Post
                        also it doesnt seem to be that popular at least on ubuntu.
                        Those stats are completely flawed. It doesn't differentiate between releases so it doesn't tell you have many of 12.04 users are using x86_64 for example but rather what all people who have ever had popcon enable have ever used. Now the fact that kdedesktop package has 20% usage for the last 30 days should tell everything you need to know about popcon: the package was removed after Ubuntu 8.04 release.

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                        • #13
                          I've seen his blog before, but no one can come up with conclusions till like a year from now where people can test the memory usage for themselves, maybe even get some phoronix benchmarks.

                          for now am using 32bit on my 3gb ram laptop and hope to test x32 in the future.

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                          • #14
                            Unity is the slowest desktop environment I've ever used, just like Ubuntu Software Center. Even on a high-end machine the "lens" takes a second or two to load, USC takes forever to load, as does switching between multiple open windows of the same program zoom effect thing. Sad that you can no longer recommend Ubuntu as a cure for older computers (older distros don't count, the newest version of Firefox and other programs are needed). While I agree that DEs can afford to look nicer now days, not having the ability to "turn off" (drop to Metacity or whatever) the shinies like you can on Windows 7 is fail since they are dropping Unity 2D. You can't compare Win7 to Unity though because even with the desktop shinies on, Win7 is infinitely times faster since Win7's start menu opens instantly. What part of pre-loading all the DE's graphics libraries doesn't Unity understand? Maybe when Unity isn't such a bloated pig will more users actually like it.

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                            • #15
                              I can still feel the lag in win7's menu too, it's not perfect nor instant.

                              But it's certainly faster than Unity on comparable hw, agreed.

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