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    Phoronix: Arch Linux Is Switching To Systemd

    The Arch Linux developers feel it's time to switch from using SysVInit to systemd...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTE2MDE

  • #2
    welcome to poetering-OS. Created because pulseaudio had a problem.

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    • #3
      I know some people are going to rage about how terrible systemd is, but it is actually really nice. Arch has been moving towards using a more standard startup sequence for some time, moving stuff out of /etc/rc.conf into the standard configuration files for the backends (the most recent example is networking.)

      Systemd works well and is standard. Arch is about using standard configurations. Using Systemd rather than having a boot sequence that is custom for Arch makes sense.

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      • #4
        Systemd is evil.
        But i guess it was forced on them to keep things working in the future.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Nille_kungen View Post
          Systemd is evil.
          But i guess it was forced on them to keep things working in the future.
          How exactly is systemd evil?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by energyman View Post
            welcome to poetering-OS. Created because pulseaudio had a problem.
            Just out of curiosity to you have anything to present that is as big as Lennarts contribution in the Linux ecosystem??

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ShadowBane View Post
              How exactly is systemd evil?

              Its change and in neckbeard speak Change is evil. Even if its for the better.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                Just out of curiosity to you have anything to present that is as big as Lennarts contribution in the Linux ecosystem??

                besides BUYING distribution boxes so indirectly paying devs, reporting bugs and some small patches?

                No, but does that mean that just because LP is putting out lots of code any of it is any good at all?

                Are you kidding? Sound deamons have problems, lets create pulseaudio! Pulseaudio has some rt problems, lets create some daemon that fucks up rt for jack users! Pulseaudio has some problems during boot, write a new init system! One that makes things harder for everybody else! Oh and usurp udev, so in the future everybody will be forced to use systemd!

                Next step: registry?

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                • #9
                  This is a good thing for Linux standardization. Right now people offering builds of software that need access to the system init scripts, have to deal with a bunch of different systems. If everyone uses systemd, that problem is solved.

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                  • #10
                    Luddites tend to be hairy, but don't confuse them with neckbeards.

                    Change is cool and technology is cool. Systemd kicks ass, but only if it is setup correctly. Just like Pulseaudio kicks ass, but only if it is setup corrrectly.

                    Most distros, in terms of number of distros, don't set it up correctly.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by energyman View Post
                      besides BUYING distribution boxes so indirectly paying devs, reporting bugs and some small patches?

                      No, but does that mean that just because LP is putting out lots of code any of it is any good at all?

                      Are you kidding? Sound deamons have problems, lets create pulseaudio! Pulseaudio has some rt problems, lets create some daemon that fucks up rt for jack users! Pulseaudio has some problems during boot, write a new init system! One that makes things harder for everybody else! Oh and usurp udev, so in the future everybody will be forced to use systemd!

                      Next step: registry?
                      Have you used systemd at any point before declaring its bad??

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ShadowBane View Post
                        Systemd works well and is standard.
                        says who?

                        just because redhat decides to force something down your throat does not make it a 'standard'. SystemV init is a standard. utf-8 is a standard. ISO 2001:2008 is a standard.

                        Systemd is not.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by energyman View Post
                          says who?

                          just because redhat decides to force something down your throat does not make it a 'standard'. SystemV init is a standard. utf-8 is a standard. ISO 2001:2008 is a standard.

                          Systemd is not.
                          It should. Systemd is the best init system for Linux.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by energyman View Post
                            says who?

                            just because redhat decides to force something down your throat does not make it a 'standard'. SystemV init is a standard. utf-8 is a standard. ISO 2001:2008 is a standard.

                            Systemd is not.
                            I think you are missing the difference between 'standard' and 'a standard.' You see, in the case of 'standard' it is just the common default option. Systemd is quickly becoming the standard way of booting a linux computer. In the case of 'a standard' it must be recognised by a standards body. Recognising a boot system as a standard would just be silly, it woud serve as a barier to newer and possibly better boot systems and could impair the ability to improve the one that had been enshrined as a standard.


                            On a side note, what is with all the hate for Pottering? Really, he is a brilliant guy who has contributed a ton to making linux on the desktop usable.

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                            • #15
                              And I'm switching to Slackware

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