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  • #16
    Originally posted by ShadowBane View Post
    I think you are missing the difference between 'standard' and 'a standard.' You see, in the case of 'standard' it is just the common default option. Systemd is quickly becoming the standard way of booting a linux computer. In the case of 'a standard' it must be recognised by a standards body. Recognising a boot system as a standard would just be silly, it woud serve as a barier to newer and possibly better boot systems and could impair the ability to improve the one that had been enshrined as a standard.


    On a side note, what is with all the hate for Pottering? Really, he is a brilliant guy who has contributed a ton to making linux on the desktop usable.
    YES!.
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    Really?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by LightBit View Post
      And I'm switching to Slackware
      Good luck with that! LOL

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      • #18
        Originally posted by energyman View Post
        Pulseaudio has some rt problems, lets create some daemon that fucks up rt for jack users!
        You know that you don't need to use it and that you still can use jack directly and pulseaudio as a jack client?

        I think I can safely sum up the criticism in this thread:
        "It's bad because I say so."

        I have used it for some time and I can only critisize:
        1. When some service hangs on shutdown systemd waits unnecessary long before killing it. And after systemd has been updated it sometimes didn't shut down the PC correctly anymore. But I think that hasn't happened for some time now.
        2. systemd needs more service files...
        Last edited by ChrisXY; 08-14-2012, 06:27 PM.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by ChrisXY View Post
          2. systemd needs more service files...
          I actually haven't had any problems with lack of service files on Arch, basically everything that they include a rc.d file for they provide a systemd service for. Also, the more common it becomes the more service files will be written.

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          • #20
            So what makes systemd so awesome?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Alex Sarmiento View Post
              Good luck with that! LOL
              What's the problem with Slackware ?!?
              No matter it was one of the last distros that i tested several years ago, it end up to be my favorite...i'm using it right now

              Very stable, very snappy, very configurable, very easy to install blobs, (re)compile kernels, etc...aaahhhh....yes....and the audio simply works out of the box with multimedia and games

              ps:I have nothing against Systemd....then again never used it

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              • #22
                Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                systemd is not yet in Ubuntu. But from what I heard it will be....fuck shoving more crap down our throats....I'd go to windows but fuck windows 8 their also shoving even more crap down our throats.
                Shuttleworth would have to die before systemd makes it into Ubuntu.

                As recently as April he's said no way it's going to happen.

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                • #23
                  File system changes, mkinitcpio... This?! Arch needs to slow the eff down I love it but the recent changes borked my last install to the point where chroot couldn't save it. Now after setting it up (without install framework. fun fun...) if it breaks again I am going to have to jump to a stable distro just to relax for a month!

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by johnc View Post
                    Shuttleworth would have to die before systemd makes it into Ubuntu.

                    As recently as April he's said no way it's going to happen.
                    I want to believe that the Spaceman is smart enough to change his mind on this.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                      I want to believe that the Spaceman is smart enough to change his mind on this.
                      If they're smart over at Ubuntu they'd probably support Debian's investigation of OpenRC, and -in case it happens- follow its adoption.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by johnc View Post
                        So what makes systemd so awesome?
                        It's written by the PulseAudio author. That alone makes it l33t.

                        Oh, and it also makes the system boot extremely fast. Not sure how important that is to people.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by RealNC View Post
                          It's written by the PulseAudio author. That alone makes it l33t.

                          Oh, and it also makes the system boot extremely fast. Not sure how important that is to people.
                          How much faster is it than, e.g., Upstart for comparable boot jobs? (Putting aside the earlier Phoronix hysterics article for a moment.)

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                          • #28
                            Not sure what to think of this.

                            I understand the reasons but at the same time what I always loved about Arch and, I thought, was one of it's selling points, was it's old school and simple BSD-like init system.

                            It seems almost a bit un-Arch like, but meh, I'm sure it will be handled (hopefully) well and as far as I'm aware Systemd has backwards compatibility with the current init scripts, meaning you can sort have the best of both worlds anyway? I dunno, I'm no expert on this, I'm just a user.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by johnc View Post
                              How much faster is it than, e.g., Upstart for comparable boot jobs? (Putting aside the earlier Phoronix hysterics article for a moment.)
                              2.8 Seconds. Case closed. Kernel + Userspace
                              http://s7.directupload.net/images/120815/je3nqk7u.png

                              Probably could save some time by adding "quiet" to kernel line because console slows boot down.

                              I like systemd it's not harder to use systemctl start xy.service than /etc/rc.d/networt start other than that
                              in my day to day work I don't encounter any advantages or disadvantages. Kind of miss the old rc.conf though.
                              When I set up my PC with the new install scripts I had to look up all the different files and what they contain.
                              Most of them don't exist when you set up you pc. A blank rc.conf with LOCALE= HOSTNAME= etc. makes it
                              easier to get everything pre configured without having to remember anything.

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                              • #30
                                Oh well. Archlinux used to be my favorite distro on the Linux side. I liked the KISS principle, transparency and so on. The last time I tried systemd, it made my encrypted LVM system unbootable with no obvious way to fix it. Good thing I moved on...

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