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    Phoronix: Ubuntu Plans For A Future With Upstart

    If you were hoping that Ubuntu 12.10 would mark the switch from Upstart to systemd for its init daemon, there was no surprise announcement and the Ubuntu developers are continuing to push for the advancement of Upstart...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTEwMTQ

  • #2
    NIH strikes again...

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    • #3
      Staying away from that abomination called SystemD is a great call. Kudos to the Ubuntu developers.

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      • #4
        A good thing, if for no other reason than to prevent (or at least delay) systemd becoming a defacto standard.

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        • #5
          not sure which is more over-hyped... systemd or wayland.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by johnc View Post
            not sure which is more over-hyped... systemd or wayland.
            not sure who cares about your opinion.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by cl333r View Post
              not sure who cares about your opinion.
              i care... and i'm so important

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              • #8
                If it isn't broken,

                don't fix it. I prefer Upstart from a KISS standpoint. Also, monocultures are never a good thing. So kudos to Ubuntu.

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                • #9
                  Not a bad decision

                  because Upstart isn't really a problem. I'd rather Ubuntu focused their manpower on bigger issues, and leave their init system alone while it is in reasonable shape.

                  I suspect they'll eventually need to move over to systemD but there's no reason to do so right now.

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                  • #10
                    Hopefully they don't walk away from the concept of having a service that does one thing well to a service that does everything poorly. The scope looks to be expanding a lot.

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                    • #11
                      openSUSE switched to systemd from sysvinit, not from upstart.

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                      • #12
                        Difference?

                        What is the difference between systemd and upstart?

                        What are the benefits and drawbacks of each?

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                        • #13
                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenRC will give you an overview.

                          Upstart is older and is pretty much Ubuntu-only now.

                          SystemD is RedHat's, and it's been adopted by several major distributions, including OpenSUSE. It is aggressively Linux-only, which is why Debian refuses to move over.

                          OpenRC is Gentoo's own solution.

                          It's a bit of a mess now. Some new RedHat work is heavily based on SystemD (like the new multi-seat work), and with RedHat's backing, it is the favourite right now. Because of some design decisions, some major distributions like Debian and Gentoo are likely to stay away. Upstart is in Ubuntu hands now, which is not comparable to being backed by RedHat and OpenSuse, so probably a dead end. Gentoo doesn't have enough sway to push their (actually quite decent) solution so it will likely remain Gentoo-only.

                          So instead of unification, we have more fragmentation.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by siride View Post
                            NIH strikes again...
                            Upstart is older than systemd.

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                            • #15
                              launchd

                              Why doesn't the distributions use launchd instead of systemd and Upstart?

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