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  • Sabayon 8 Is Now An "Extreme-Rolling" Release Distro

    Phoronix: Sabayon 8 Is Now An "Extreme-Rolling" Release Distro

    The Gentoo-based Sabayon Linux distribution is out now with version 8 of their operating system. Besides many package updates and other new features, it's morphed into what the lead maintainer is calling the first "extreme-rolling release" distribution...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTA1NDg

  • #2
    If you really enjoyed Sabayon 7, this is just another step towards World domination.
    http://ciaranm.wordpress.com/2008/05...o-and-exherbo/

    Do not spend your money on Sabayon. Help Gentoo or Exherbo instead.

    The first Extreme-Rolling Release distribution, with automated repository package version bumping, thanks to Entropy Matter ebuild tracker
    Oh noes, Extreme Rolling with Extreme Ads in package manager, busy bees?
    Didnīt Calculate Linux have been binary rolling Gentoo since... 5 or 6 months already? Iīm not talking about Calculate being perfect, since Gentoo is flawed by design, Iīm talking about that *buzz* that Google Adwords clicks so like. Development?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
      http://ciaranm.wordpress.com/2008/05...o-and-exherbo/

      Do not spend your money on Sabayon. Help Gentoo or Exherbo instead.


      Oh noes, Extreme Rolling with Extreme Ads in package manager, busy bees?
      Didnīt Calculate Linux have been binary rolling Gentoo since... 5 or 6 months already? Iīm not talking about Calculate being perfect, since Gentoo is flawed by design, Iīm talking about that *buzz* that Google Adwords clicks so like. Development?
      Stop trolling Troll. Instead of bothering others work, get up your a** and do something usefull!

      Here is your fish:

      ><> ... Enjoy!

      Back to Topic:

      I totaly agreee with rolling releases. I like them. Thats why I use ArchLinux. But I will give Sabayon a try, maybe in a VirtualMaschinen =)

      Anyway. Congratulation to the new release! =)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Wubbbi View Post
        Stop trolling Troll. Instead of bothering others work, get up your a** and do something usefull!

        Here is your fish:

        ><> ... Enjoy!

        Back to Topic:

        I totaly agreee with rolling releases. I like them. Thats why I use ArchLinux. But I will give Sabayon a try, maybe in a VirtualMaschinen =)

        Anyway. Congratulation to the new release! =)
        Show me where I am trolling? Show! You have zero idea of rolling release. You have zero idea of Sabayon and you write crap! Who is troll, troll?

        BTW has Archlinux managed to create something like USE flags, or russian official Archlinux slogan "There were no worries, till we decided to update" still persists?

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        • #5
          Do not spend your money on Sabayon. Help Gentoo or Exherbo instead.
          It's no troll ... nooooooo!

          You have no clue. There are people who use gentoo to build their own distribution as Ubuntu did with Debian and LinuxMint does with Ubuntu.
          They organize it, they set up advertisement, they write scripts and modify some packages and you are now going to tell us we should not spend Money to them? Who do you think you are?
          And belive me one thing, I realy have more clue then you have. You are talking shit. You dont know how hard it is to set up a distribution even when it is based on another. And if you know, then you realy sould be quiet!
          Also are USE flags an indicator of Rolling releases? You really should think befor writing!
          When you dont like Sabayon, ok! Thats your opinion. But dont disrepect their work.

          Such guys like you should really not be allowed to use any opensource programm as they are as unthankfull as you are. -_-

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          • #6
            Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
            Show me where I am trolling?
            You linked to some irrelevant blog post that is four years old. The rest of your posts is so confusing that I have absolutely no dea wtf you are talking about but it seems that you have something against Sabayon anyway...

            There were no worries, till we decided to update" still persists?
            I haven't had a single stable repository breakage in over two years of use.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Wubbbi View Post
              It's no troll ... nooooooo!

              You have no clue. There are people who use gentoo to build their own distribution as Ubuntu did with Debian and LinuxMint does with Ubuntu.
              WHAT? And I thought Gentoo is meta-distribution. I thought I was using that for 2 years... Oh, I was sooo wrong. So, you mean I was building my own distro??!

              I also thought that Debian and Ubuntu; as BINARY DISTROS; use different package versions, different package settings, different build flags, different base system, different release cycles. No sh!t I was so wrong!

              Originally posted by Wubbbi View Post
              They organize it, they set up advertisement, they write scripts and modify some packages and you are now going to tell us we should not spend Money to them? Who do you think you are?
              No, wrong order: they assemble gentoo with USE=*, then they put some sound on startup and ads in package manager. Then, they say they did like everything, ebuild-tree included. Oh wait, I forgot, they put RR logo on it, like rescue rangers or something.
              Yes, Im going to tell you, you go spend your money on something that gives progress to EVERYONE. This is called opensource, jack.

              Originally posted by Wubbbi View Post
              And belive me one thing, I realy have more clue then you have. You are talking shit. You dont know how hard it is to set up a distribution even when it is based on another. And if you know, then you realy sould be quiet!
              Oh sh!, thats hard! Lets go setup another Ubuntu respin, because it is hard, but we are going to just put some Ads and advertize all this as work of ourself so Ubuntu gets zero money and zero attention. Is that one of things that killed Gentoo, with another one being burocracy?

              Originally posted by Wubbbi View Post
              Also are USE flags an indicator of Rolling releases? You really should think befor writing!
              For source-based, yes. Because its major pain to ./configure each one yourself or to search all-the-way through AUR manually till all dependencies are satisfied.
              For binary... USE is not needed, because options become limited, and metadata such as "recommends" and "alternative" becomes more vital.

              Originally posted by Wubbbi View Post
              When you dont like Sabayon, ok! Thats your opinion. But dont disrepect their work.
              Such guys like you should really not be allowed to use any opensource programm as they are as unthankfull as you are. -_-
              Tell me what Sabayon can, what Calculate can not.
              How much did Calculate recieve compared to Sabayon?
              Who respects Gentoo, in terms of its rules and contributing rather than parasiting, more?
              Did Sabayon contributed anything back to Gentoo? Do you contribute in ebuild bugtrackers?

              Originally posted by Wubbbi View Post
              Such guys like you should really not be allowed to use any opensource programm as they are as unthankfull as you are. -_-
              Oh, you saying every opensource programm is like sabayon? Luckily, they are not.
              What should I be thankfull for? For stealing eggs, making Sabayon and getting all credit?
              And as for me using sabayon?? Even if you desire to forbid it, I donīt even feel like touching it, even if it is same Gentoo

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Teho View Post
                You linked to some irrelevant blog post that is four years old.
                I LOLED.

                Why wouldnīt you go and reread again? About who Ciaran McCreesh is, what his work - Paludis is and how it relates to Gentoo, and who is this "lxnay".
                In fact "lxnay" can come along and sh!t equally upon your head, because his magesty thinks Sabayon is Windows O_O edition. Gentoo-favoured.

                Originally posted by Teho View Post
                The rest of your posts is so confusing that I have absolutely no dea wtf you are talking about but it seems that you have something against Sabayon anyway...
                Yeah, I have something about what Sabayon is, how Sabayon relates to Gentoo, and how redneckish their leader behaves.

                Originally posted by Teho View Post
                I haven't had a single stable repository breakage in over two years of use.
                What are kernel/initram, xorg, gcc and coreutils are usefull for except running a server? You are running server on Arch?

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                • #9
                  The first Extreme-Rolling Release distribution, with automated repository package version bumping, thanks to Entropy Matter ebuild tracker
                  Does anyone know what this actually means? I hope it doesn't mean that things are going to go from code release to package even faster, meaning less testing and more instability in Sabayon....

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
                    [...]
                    ><> .. Enjoy. I see it makes no sence to even talk with you. Do on and keep living in your crazy "Gentoo is the King, Gentoo is GOD and xXRAZOOORXx" world.
                    Disrespecting others work does not make you any cooler!

                    ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ... "And the troll keeps swimm swimm" *blubb*

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
                      What are kernel/initram, xorg, gcc and coreutils are usefull for except running a server? You are running server on Arch?
                      Excuse me but what are you talking about? Taking makes absolutely no fucking sense. But yes I'm running a laptop and home server on Arch.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by alcalde View Post
                        Does anyone know what this actually means? I hope it doesn't mean that things are going to go from code release to package even faster, meaning less testing and more instability in Sabayon....
                        From Sabayon.org
                        "The first Extreme-Rolling Release distribution, with automated repository package version bumping, thanks to Entropy Matter ebuild tracker"

                        ...So the way I understand this the repository packages are automatically bumped to the latest version as its released from upstream?
                        Not totally sure if thats the safest way to go about rolling release....theres a difference between being bleeding-edge and hemorrhaging-out. Could be interesting though I suppose. It would take quite a bit though to deter me from Arch tbh.

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                        • #13
                          stable and unstable &quot;repos&quot; in gentoo.

                          Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
                          What are kernel/initram, xorg, gcc and coreutils are usefull for except running a server? You are running server on Arch?
                          You are misunderstanding "stable" and "unstable" in the gentoo world. Stable has gotten much much better in the last few years.

                          [pre]
                          #eix -e mplayer
                          [I] media-video/mplayer
                          Available versions: 1.0_rc4_p20110322-r1 (~)1.0_rc4_p20111215 (~)1.0_rc4_p20120105 (~)1.0_rc4_p20120109 (~)1.0_rc4_p20120128 **9999
                          [/pre]

                          Note the versions with (~) in front of them. These are the unstable versions. Versions with ** are masked ("Ultra-unstable"). So as you can see there is a stable and unstable

                          so "media-video/mplayer-1.0_rc4_p20110322-r1" is in the "stable repository", the (~) ones are in the unstable repo, and -9999 is masked. Anyways, I like facts, so there has been some brake-age in the stable tree "recently", I think the most recent libpng version bump in stable caused some headaches.

                          I'll reserve my own opinions on Sabayon and it's place/contributions in/to the community.


                          Back on topic, It looks like Sabayon now just has a cron that emerge --sync's and then builds every new package, while building a binpkgs and serving them via http. It ought to be a bit trickier than that as there are some things you can't have installed at the same time, but in general.


                          P.S. I've been running gentoo or unstable gentoo since the fall of 2003, both my main desktop and home server run it. So I'm not new to it.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by cynyr View Post
                            You are misunderstanding "stable" and "unstable" in the gentoo world. Stable has gotten much much better in the last few years.

                            [pre]
                            #eix -e mplayer
                            [I] media-video/mplayer
                            Available versions: 1.0_rc4_p20110322-r1 (~)1.0_rc4_p20111215 (~)1.0_rc4_p20120105 (~)1.0_rc4_p20120109 (~)1.0_rc4_p20120128 **9999
                            [/pre]

                            Note the versions with (~) in front of them. These are the unstable versions. Versions with ** are masked ("Ultra-unstable"). So as you can see there is a stable and unstable

                            so "media-video/mplayer-1.0_rc4_p20110322-r1" is in the "stable repository", the (~) ones are in the unstable repo, and -9999 is masked. Anyways, I like facts, so there has been some brake-age in the stable tree "recently", I think the most recent libpng version bump in stable caused some headaches.
                            No, I was speaking about Arch, specifically about Arch Stable (non-AUR). When I used Arch it constantly broke on near all packages in AUR, because they are by far not good tested (if at all), and they very often lack any correct dependency metadata. Means, every time you update - you need to go fishing. Another thing - there is no USE, so multiple packages exist using just DIFFERENT config flags. Which means Gentoo has hand over Arch anyday, except for Arch having no burocracy and every easy approach on development - so it envolved while Gentoo stayed. The only good solutions which evolved from Gentoo are Paludis/Exherbo and Calculate. Daniel is back, Iīve seen his Funtoo version, but once it started to violate spirit of Gentoo, I stopped using it (grub not shipping with vanilla configuration files). Arch has hand over Gentoo only when pulling from Arch stable repo - but it promptly looses to Debian or to binary-released Gentoo. Where it does however differ is - lack of complexity, it tries to keep things simple - one of the lessons I learned from that is that many "simple" make the overall job complex. You either love it or hate it - I have no problem with Arch.

                            About Gentoo, while I thank you for the info and explanation ... I run Gentoo for two years, so nothing new. Yes, libpng bump with lafix fun, later integrated into revdep which later was integrated into portage itself (preserved-rebuild). There were several issues in stable, but what is broken in Gentoo - can only be fixed from scratch, its in design and in organisation, and you cannot do things right from the start - so thats ok too.

                            Maybe I overreacted - but just a bit; doing literally nothing, crying out loud how great it is, taking money and jumping in front of one of the best minds at Gentoo - calling out he should die because he just does not use the crappy sabayon. That tells a lot about sabayon itself.


                            Originally posted by cynyr View Post
                            Back on topic, It looks like Sabayon now just has a cron that emerge --sync's and then builds every new package, while building a binpkgs and serving them via http. It ought to be a bit trickier than that as there are some things you can't have installed at the same time, but in general.


                            P.S. I've been running gentoo or unstable gentoo since the fall of 2003, both my main desktop and home server run it. So I'm not new to it.
                            Thats what Calculate has been silently doing for 1 year already. It has profiles - from basic system to desktops, and all applications are periodically built as binaries and pushed into overlay. When upgrading you do binary upgrade - all extra that you put into your world, or if you use different USE, will be emerged, all already precompiled just merged. Difference? Pure Gentoo system, that you can break and glue as you see fit. 1st extra rolling release my a$$.

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                            • #15
                              For what its worth, ignoring most of what has gone on before this post, Lxnay and myself are both Gentoo developers...

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