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  • I was hoping that this thread would bring some ideas why or why not one dislikes Ubuntu which in turn would help Linux in general.

    Instead it became mostly a Pulse audio thread.
    Last edited by roentgen; 07-24-2011, 08:48 AM.

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    • Originally posted by tball View Post
      Pulseaudio is one of the best things happened to desktop linux, as is randr.
      Pulse uses ALSA. You might consider the fact that alsa got better over time. Maybe at one time pulse solved some alsa issues but now alsa guys solved them themselves which kind of makes pulse obsolete.

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      • Originally posted by roentgen View Post
        Pulse uses ALSA. You might consider the fact that alsa got better over time. Maybe at one time pulse solved some alsa issues but now alsa guys solved them themselves which kind of makes pulse obsolete.
        Oh I didn't know that. Does ALSA come with its own mixer, which can set the volume application-wise? Does ALSA support hotswapping of the sound-output? I use both daily, so I am interested to hear if ALSA support those.
        Last edited by tball; 07-24-2011, 09:23 AM.

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        • Originally posted by Nobu View Post
          Pulse can solve problems with alsa similarly to how C++ can solve problems with C or assembly...
          That is an ironically apt comparison. I had to read a little to realise you weren't joking... Still, got a good laugh out of me. :P

          Originally posted by bwat47 View Post
          I can't stand those types of mics/headsets. TBH I have seen many people, including myself having issues with them even in windows. Ever since I moved to USB mics its been smooth sailing.
          That is incredibly bizarre. The amount of complexity involved in even "simple" USB devices far outstrips the base use case of a 3.5mm jack. I can't even imagine what distros are doing wrong here.

          Originally posted by DanL View Post
          If your sound card happens to have a hardware mixer that is supported by the ALSA driver, then I agree. Unfortunately, there are many(*10) people using onboard HDA audio and other devices where software mixing is required....much better job than dmix if you RTFM and configure pulse for the best sound quality mixing.
          What are you talking about? I have one of those "onboard HDA audio" devices. I'm using it right now. And you know what? My sound mixing works fine. Pure ALSA, no Pulse, zero mucking with ALSA configuration. It works for me and it works "out-of-the-box". Same as it did in 2007 when I built this system.

          Why should you have to "RTFM and configure" your audio if you're not doing anything special? Just say no.

          Anyway, @topic:
          I think the major thing I dislike about Ubuntu is how they control so many other projects' release cycles. I don't use it personally, but they now have KDE releases and driver releases in their thrall, and now other distros are following the same pattern.

          Otherwise, I dislike how Ubuntu goes to great lengths to hide any degree of complexity from all users (at least, that's how it feels from my standpoint). It makes support of new users by advanced users damn near impossible at times. The "advanced" answer should never be "try reinstalling the app" or "use a PPA". That is broken and wrong.

          Oh, and Kubuntu is a disgrace. I'm very glad Mint seems to package it better, and I sincerely hope they make good on their threat to work from Debian as a base for Mint KDE.

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          • Originally posted by kraftman View Post
            Focus on one or few distributions and problems are gone.
            Screw people that don't fit into your support case, right?

            Btw. could someone explain why I can't run some games on windows after upgrade to sp3? It's a pain.
            It's a vast global conspiracy to disrupt your life.

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            • Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
              They are *not designed* to be compatible at ABI, just for the sake binary compatibility is reason for the mess we have in windows.
              Linux implemented much more elegant solution, cutting the problem in the root.
              So breaking things every six months for the sake of it is 'elegant,' nice. Now explain the mythical 'mess' of Windows support, that works fine for the majority of the planet,


              No, windows has much more versions, but they happen to break when running pre-pre-version and happen to need 9000 versions of older libraries, incl. bugs, incl. building functionality based on erratic behavior.
              Wrong, Windows has three version. XP, Vista, and 7. Unless, of course, you are writing server software which in this context you clearly aren't. Granted it may be possible for an insane nutjob to develop against five different versions of the MS redistributable C++ library, but only an insane nutjob would do that.

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              • Originally posted by yogi_berra View Post
                So breaking things every six months for the sake of it is 'elegant,' nice.
                You might note that every user has different needs of their hardware and software. For example, it's becoming evident that you need a version of reality detached from our own where Linux is at fault for your software not working so you can troll a Linux forum about the "superiority" of Windows design methodology. Or something like that.

                Serious question: Why are you even posting here if you hate the Linux ecosystem? We frankly don't need any more hatred and vitriol; you're free to go join "the majority of the planet" whenever you like. Your posts have made it abundantly clear that that's what you prefer.

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                • Originally posted by yogi_berra View Post
                  Screw people that don't fit into your support case, right?
                  Exactly. Why should someone care about small distros?

                  It's a vast global conspiracy to disrupt your life.
                  Nope, it's messed up windows.

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                  • Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
                    According to deanjo, you are lying :P
                    Deanjo probably doesn't play in Homeworld or Cataclysm on Win XP with SP3.

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                    • So breaking things every six months for the sake of it is 'elegant,' nice.
                      Originally posted by Wyatt View Post
                      You might note that every user has different needs of their hardware and software.
                      Wyatt, you may have a point in certain situations but for the majority Linux isn't meant to be upgraded every 6/12/72 months. Upgrading 1700 packages on a server when a new release comes out isn't fun. Forcing upstream and downstream to support outdated packages because Ubuntu and Debian thinks they are stable isn't fun.

                      Compare that to a rolling release that pushes 5-10 packages a week. IF and only if something breaks out that bad you file a bug report, downgrade until it's fixed and live happily ever after. (with most of the bugs Ubuntu users complain about fixed )

                      For example, I told a dev that his software isn't compatible with the latest stable version of a library. He doesn't care and that's his right. But why doesn't he care? Is it because Ubuntu ships the two years old version of that lib?

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                      • Originally posted by roentgen View Post
                        Wyatt, you may have a point in certain situations...
                        While I'm glad you agree, I'm not sure you entirely caught my drift: You, too, are part of the set of every user. As are companies with heavy server iron, virtualisation junkies, web hosts, FSF Advocates, DNS edge nodes... Every user is different. I actually dislike the Ubuntu release cycle myself (see my earlier post in this thread), and your statements only vindicate its unsuitability for a large swath of users. Hey, look at my profile: I use a rolling-release distro myself and we deal with that sort of stuff frequently (ask flameeyes about his tinderbox testing of new packages sometime).

                        My point is that, as a user, you have a certain responsibility to find and use the software and hardware that works best for you. Pointing to the greener grass on the other side and complaining to your neighbours about how your lawn is ugly because the green is slightly different is pointless (and, in this particular context, turned into an overly heated argument that has no clear-cut "correct" answer).

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                        • While I don't know alot about Ubuntu, I know that Linux Mint flat out rocks. Clem does an outstanding job as it could not be more user friendly. I left Windows after buying a laptop with Vista = the WORST tragedy ever done to a computer in my opinion. I have never had so many issues. I may as well have used the bsod as my desktop background. I came to Mint at 7 and have not looked back. Just my .02

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                          • Originally posted by Wyatt View Post
                            That is an ironically apt comparison. I had to read a little to realise you weren't joking... Still, got a good laugh out of me. :P
                            Well, I'm glad I could make somebody happy in the midst of this slug-fest of a thread. ^^;

                            I suppose by ironically apt you mean what I said was correct, but not in the way that I might have thought when I wrote it (i.e., they are similar in that they both don't help, or something to that effect), no? Well, I'd be lying if I said that's what I meant when I wrote it, but I can see how you might arrive at that.

                            Anyway, I don't think I ever said what I dislike or hate about Ubuntu.

                            ...Hmmm, I don't really know. There's not much I dislike about it, I guess. I've had my gripes with it, sure, but I've had as many with other distributions. I guess my biggest gripe would be that it doesn't use systemd yet; if it weren't for that I might still be using Ubuntu. I won't hold that against them, though.

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                            • I had been using Ubuntu since 8.04 and been quite happy about it for a couple of years.
                              I do not know if it is due to my increased knowledge about linux or the development of Ubuntu, but in the recent year I got this "Windows" feeling about Ubuntu. A bit bloated and rigid, have on several occations tried to update eg. Firefox since a new released came that was not available in the repo, but it always ended very badly.
                              While I hail linux for it freedom, then I feel like a bird without wings in Ubuntu, which have also lead me to make a switch to Arch Linux, one of the best choices I have made.

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                              • Originally posted by Wyatt View Post
                                Serious question: Why are you even posting here if you hate the Linux ecosystem? We frankly don't need any more hatred and vitriol; you're free to go join "the majority of the planet" whenever you like. Your posts have made it abundantly clear that that's what you prefer.
                                And you clearly do not use linux for anything apart from the coolness factor, so why are you here?

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