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  • #31
    If you want, you can already use Ubuntu as a rolling release...
    I'm doing this since lucid alpha 1 - currently my sources are set to natty which essentially makes it a rolling release (but you have to manually set the new sources whenever the new archive for the new/next release gets uploaded).

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    • #32
      Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
      Heh, Canonical|Mark is playing Microsoft
      http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Q4....473899D7D.html

      They will win some more marketshare with this. This is the sole reason Microsoft ever came to dominance, but I doubt it will work for Ubuntu...
      All things by side, microsoft's owner spent a lot of money on his OS, where canonical's owner barely anything past Unity, faster boot and software store. The first one might be the most hated man on the planet, but wtf.

      Features that I would expect from 11.04:
      - stability
      - huge investment in opensource drivers, especially printers, scanners, amd opensource stack. Patches to kernel to support lastest or exotic hardware and integrated system tool to discover such unsupported hardware.
      - X12 release support with separated optional network stack, gpu drivers completely moving into kernel, correct fullscreen opengl handling.
      - complete removal of anything *microsoft.
      - games library and linux game developers financial support.
      - improved package manager, based on portage+apt-get now with binary autonomous p2p package pool.
      - hal completely depricated(spent money to improve solid udev backend)
      - allows to pick several software profiles upon install depending on underlying hardware. No "editions" anymore.
      - allows you to pick the interface you want for each user on install or user creation.
      - switch to libreoffice.

      And all this in changelogs, not on the front page 6 months prior to release.

      I'd gladly pay 150€ for this. Either pay, or get involved in development.

      Dreams, dreams, dreams ... NOT.

      No intention to start flamewar. Just personal opinion. Ignore this post please.

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      • #33
        Making Ubuntu a rolling release distro would be a bad idea in my opinion. Ubuntu markets itself as user friendly and a "just works" OS. I like rolling releases, but for something like Ubuntu it just doesn´t fit. Offer to keep individual applications updated and such.

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        • #34
          Tell us what you think of this change in the forums.
          Gut reaction: Ubuntu is doing what Ubuntu does best. Waiting to see what Warren and the Mepis Community do, then doing the exact same-thing but make it seem like it was Ubuntu's idea. Not really a big surprise that Mark suddenly started talking rolling-release up as Mepis hit release 11 alpha 3.

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          • #35
            sadly it was confirmed, that ubuntu WONT become a rolling release:

            http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/11063422

            however, i suspect there are plans to improve the software center to the point where we would get more updated software.

            However the 6 month thing is not the best for vendors to keep up, would be better if they moved to yearly releases (maybe from 12.04 lts forward)

            word from a developer:
            http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...3&postcount=37

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            • #36
              Originally posted by dalingrin View Post
              This would be really great.
              Anyone who has used Arch linux without the Test repo knows that it easily as stable as Ubuntu.
              I have and it doesn't even come close. One word: fglrx.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Saist View Post
                Gut reaction: Ubuntu is doing what Ubuntu does best. Waiting to see what Warren and the Mepis Community do, then doing the exact same-thing but make it seem like it was Ubuntu's idea. Not really a big surprise that Mark suddenly started talking rolling-release up as Mepis hit release 11 alpha 3.
                He's been talking about daily builds for 5 years. Not a rolling release.

                FUD overload.

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                • #38
                  Is there anyone concerned that this daily update might not be stable enough for production environment? Hell, even their supposedly official releases are not stable enough for production environment the first half year after the release.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Elv13 View Post
                    Gentoo and Arch proved that rolling can be stable too for end users.
                    In many cases when I've read about weird bugs related to KDE software, the bugs were restricted to Arch Linux.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by KAMiKAZOW View Post
                      In many cases when I've read about weird bugs related to KDE software, the bugs were restricted to Arch Linux.
                      Should have been something about base system then. Arch likes upstream + maybe own logo, Gentoo is same + possible security patches(till they reach upstream).

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                      • #41
                        It will not work

                        I have used many a rolling release, Gentoo, Sid, various Debian Testing, Aptosid (Sidux) and a few days with Arch. They all have one thing in common - you spend way too much time on system maintenance. You have to monitor the forums to ensure you do not break something. There is nearly always some package that is not quite right. There can be errors in Ubuntu as well, but generally once you get it right it stays right. Upgrading once every six months is not a chore compared to upgrading every day. Rolling distros are for tinkerers who have the time to devote to just keeping it working, but for those who actually use their computers to do things then some stability is required.

                        I have given up on various Debian releases because of Samba never really working properly with my WDTV Live and constant fighting with my NAS. Arch seemed pretty good except it refused to print anything from my Canon printer, some Cups issue that I refused to spend days resolving. Arch's Samba did work well with my peripherals and I will try again once the printer issue resolves.

                        Through thick and thin one thing is always constant. I can install Ubuntu and right click share and the WDTV Live is working in seconds. My networked printer prints, my networked scanner scans, my USB TV stick works just by plugging it in, my Creative Zen is plug and play as is my Vado and my Android phone. With my laptop my 3G USB dongle is plug and play. Most of these things are invented elsewhere at RedHat or SUSE etc, but in one distro they all just work.

                        To move to a rolling distro is just silly.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by FunkyRider View Post
                          Is there anyone concerned that this daily update might not be stable enough for production environment? Hell, even their supposedly official releases are not stable enough for production environment the first half year after the release.
                          The proposed Ubuntu daily builds are strictly for testing, not for production.

                          In case you missed the video a few posts back, this was a case of bogus reporting by the Register. Ubuntu is not moving to a rolling-release model.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by JeanPaul145 View Post
                            And yes I'm aware that strictly speaking, there is support for a nice ol' sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude [dist]-upgrade but I've seen it go wrong too many times on Kubuntu to trust that process for updating to a new Kubuntu release.
                            ...which is exactly why Canonical err against doing that. If you do a dist upgrade properly, using the update-manager app you're supposed to use, you're much less likely to brick your system.

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                            • #44
                              aphids fly south for the winter

                              We have to have milestones. It's hard to remember dates of last known operational-operating systems.

                              Developers need static programming interfaces in order to developer quality work. They need stationary development environments to remain comfortable.

                              It takes months to learn. It takes years to perfect.

                              Quality video games can take past three years to develop. If Sony and Microsoft switch the Application Programming Interface's (API) on a weekly basis you'd never see a title released that was any good.

                              Good developers don't upgrade, update, or reinstall. You need to test against known factors. This gets to be almost impossible on a Linux distribution.

                              Linux can make it on the Desktop but it will be the distribution that slows down and stays static for a few years that gets us there.


                              Rolling releases move too fast for people to keep up.

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                              • #45
                                Daily builds != rolling release

                                Please tell me that someone didn't just hear the words "daily builds", and write a sensationalist article without actually doing any research about what that means (hint: it has nothing to do with Ubuntu becoming a rolling distro).

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