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    Phoronix: What Will Be Talked About At The Ubuntu 11.04 Summit

    Besides talking about performance at the Ubuntu Developer Summit later this month in Orlando for Ubuntu 11.04, there will also be discussions and tracks for hardware compatibility, Ubuntu as the project and community, application selections and defaults, how to empower application developers, cloud infrastructure, and multimedia...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=ODY2MQ

  • #2
    btrfs please

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    • #3
      Good applications please. The OS is alright but Openoffice/Gimp/Pitivi aren't capable of standing up to their MS counterparts in terms of quality. Rythmbox owns every mediaplayer on earth though imho.

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      • #4
        if the spaceman decides to fire the whole design team i will be happy with it


        Originally posted by MaestroMaus View Post
        Good applications please. The OS is alright but Openoffice/Gimp/Pitivi aren't capable of standing up to their MS counterparts in terms of quality. Rythmbox owns every mediaplayer on earth though imho.

        care to explain what are the problems with OpenOffice??

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        • #5
          Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
          care to explain what are the problems with OpenOffice??
          Very slow on start-up, has bugs (some of them years old), it crashes sometimes and it isn't very intuitive.

          I didn't notice how bad it was until my classmates had to use it a week and pointed out every little error to me. I did look up the bugs, but none of them where new.

          BTW they all agreed that they like open alternatives better when quality would be equal to the closed ones.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by MaestroMaus View Post
            Very slow on start-up, has bugs (some of them years old), it crashes sometimes and it isn't very intuitive.

            I didn't notice how bad it was until my classmates had to use it a week and pointed out every little error to me. I did look up the bugs, but none of them where new.
            Slow on start-up? If you turn off Java support OpenOffice takes two to three seconds to start on moderate hardware. With an SSD it comes down to around one second.

            Bugs? Yes, but the MS counterpart has them, too. Intuitive? It's more or less a carbon copy of Office 2003. This wasn't intuitive to use either? Having used Office 2003/OpenOffice for years, I find the ribbon interface a pain in the ass. So, as far as intuitivity goes, a large part of it is a matter of taste.

            BTW they all agreed that they like open alternatives better when quality would be equal to the closed ones.
            Because... they wouldn't have to download their applications from some seedy warez sites?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Tuxee View Post
              Slow on start-up? If you turn off Java support OpenOffice takes two to three seconds to start on moderate hardware. With an SSD it comes down to around one second.
              I don't know what you consider to be "moderate hardware" but a SSD surely is not in my book. As for being slow on start up: Open Office requires three times the time it takes MS Office 2010 to start up in whine on my net-book. I'd say that's pretty bad.

              Originally posted by Tuxee View Post
              Bugs? Yes, but the MS counterpart has them, too. Intuitive? It's more or less a carbon copy of Office 2003. This wasn't intuitive to use either? Having used Office 2003/Open Office for years, I find the ribbon interface a pain in the ass. So, as far as intuitivity goes, a large part of it is a matter of taste.
              I haven't found one yet in 2010 and I have been using that since release. We have found a couple of them in OO and that was only in one week. Sure, MS Office has bugs but they aren't getting in my way. The ones in OO are. Crashing or hanging or layout that won't change anymore is something that should really be looked into. It is not something minor.

              As for the ribbon interface; it works great but it was not what I was aiming at. MS Office 2003 is also more intuitive then OO. Things just aren't always logical in the OO menu's to me. And yes, it is a matter of taste. But it was a general consensus over here so I guess that counts for something.

              Originally posted by Tuxee View Post
              Because... they wouldn't have to download their applications from some seedy warez sites?
              Are you going to be all hostile now because I was not telling something nice about Openoffice?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by MaestroMaus View Post
                Good applications please. The OS is alright but Openoffice/Gimp/Pitivi aren't capable of standing up to their MS counterparts in terms of quality. Rythmbox owns every mediaplayer on earth though imho.
                I think Rhythmbox is one of the weakest points of Ubuntu. It has unusual, messed up playlist. I don't know any better GIMP or OOo equivalent on Linux.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by kraftman View Post
                  I think Rhythmbox is one of the weakest points of Ubuntu. It has unusual, messed up playlist. I don't know any better GIMP or OOo equivalent on Linux.
                  Ouch!
                  *hopes his Rythmbox stays working as good as it does...

                  Gimp or OO aren't bad. I just think there's a lot of room for improvement there instead of the OS.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by MaestroMaus View Post
                    Good applications please. The OS is alright but Openoffice/Gimp/Pitivi aren't capable of standing up to their MS counterparts in terms of quality. Rythmbox owns every mediaplayer on earth though imho.
                    OpenOffice and Pitivi ok, but that exactly is "MS counterpart" for GIMP?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MaestroMaus View Post
                      I don't know what you consider to be "moderate hardware" but a SSD surely is not in my book. As for being slow on start up: Open Office requires three times the time it takes MS Office 2010 to start up in whine on my net-book. I'd say that's pretty bad.


                      I haven't found one yet in 2010 and I have been using that since release. We have found a couple of them in OO and that was only in one week. Sure, MS Office has bugs but they aren't getting in my way. The ones in OO are. Crashing or hanging or layout that won't change anymore is something that should really be looked into. It is not something minor.

                      As for the ribbon interface; it works great but it was not what I was aiming at. MS Office 2003 is also more intuitive then OO. Things just aren't always logical in the OO menu's to me. And yes, it is a matter of taste. But it was a general consensus over here so I guess that counts for something.


                      Are you going to be all hostile now because I was not telling something nice about Openoffice?
                      I'm pretty sure I can live with that, and spare you any "hostility".
                      It's just that your observations don't match with mine. The "moderate hardware" is a two-year old desktop with bog-standard hd. As I said: It's around two to three seconds (I just re-checked it: The very first start takes around 4 to 5 seconds, subsequent starts around two seconds). I don't have Office 2010 available, but a 2007 edition on Win 7 and identical hardware is definitely not noticably faster. (Working frequently with Zend Studio/Eclipse anything under 10 seconds is negligible.) Even on my backup PC (5 yrs old) I haven't noticed any slow startups of OO.

                      Since you are running MSOffice 2010 under Wine: why are you complaining about the "lack of good software" - after all you do have a choice.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by bash View Post
                        OpenOffice and Pitivi ok, but that exactly is "MS counterpart" for GIMP?
                        Photoshop. People don't compare GiMP on Linux to GiMP on Windows, and Photoshop under Wine to Photoshop on Windows - they compare GiMP on Linux to Photoshop on Windows.

                        Why? Because Windows users like to compare $500+ software to free software and act like the few bugs and missing features make the other software worth the cost.

                        Are the for-pay versions better overall? Probably. Are they $500 better? Probably not, at least for the use of the average user.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 3vi1 View Post
                          Photoshop. People don't compare GiMP on Linux to GiMP on Windows, and Photoshop under Wine to Photoshop on Windows - they compare GiMP on Linux to Photoshop on Windows.

                          Why? Because Windows users like to compare $500+ software to free software and act like the few bugs and missing features make the other software worth the cost.

                          Are the for-pay versions better overall? Probably. Are they $500 better? Probably not, at least for the use of the average user.
                          But most of these people haven't paid $500 for the "superior" software. It "came for free on a friend's CD".

                          Beats me, when people point out the virtues of Maya, when compared to Blender...

                          Without illegal copies the market share of Windows and its applications would be a lot lower.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 3vi1 View Post
                            Photoshop. People don't compare GiMP on Linux to GiMP on Windows, and Photoshop under Wine to Photoshop on Windows - they compare GiMP on Linux to Photoshop on Windows.

                            Why? Because Windows users like to compare $500+ software to free software and act like the few bugs and missing features make the other software worth the cost.

                            Are the for-pay versions better overall? Probably. Are they $500 better? Probably not, at least for the use of the average user.
                            People who find Gimp inferior to Photoshop are guys who usually use Photoshop just to resize pictures and knows less than 1/1000000 of Photoshop. There is no way someone who is not Professional or serious hobbyist to consider Gimp as an inferior product.

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                            • #15
                              I'm not saying that Gimp is superior to Photoshop ofcourse, but still both programs are rather complicated even for the above average user.

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