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    Phoronix: Fedora 14 Beta Is Now Available

    Fedora 14 Beta is now available. It features the latest Fedora packages including the improvements to the GNOME 2.32 desktop, Linux 2.6.35 kernel, and much more...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=ODYzNw

  • #2
    The announcement says systemd is in, but the features-list wiki page doesn't mention systemd any longer. I wonder what's up.

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    • #3
      Hi

      The original feature proposal from me was to make it the default. Since that has been pushed to Fedora 15, the feature list doesn't include it anymore. Now it is a optional init system for Fedora 14.

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      • #4
        Rahul: I'm not sure it's a great idea to promote systemd as an optional feature of F14 when we really haven't done much to make it so. AFAIK you still can't actually install systemd on current F14 without messing around with nodeps and force, and Lennart hasn't made any indication that he intends to support its use as a non-default init system on F14.

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        • #5
          Thanks, good to know systemd is doing well and is gonna be default in F15.
          Also, the (new) D programming language (ldc) doesn't seem to work ok, it doesn't compile a simple hello world test app, it yields errors. D'you happen to know if it's by design or a bug?

          import std.stdio;
          int main() {
          writeln("hello world");
          return 0;
          }

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          • #6
            Originally posted by AdamW View Post
            Rahul: I'm not sure it's a great idea to promote systemd as an optional feature of F14 when we really haven't done much to make it so. AFAIK you still can't actually install systemd on current F14 without messing around with nodeps and force, and Lennart hasn't made any indication that he intends to support its use as a non-default init system on F14.
            I didn't write up the announcement this time. You might want to talk to the marketing team regarding this.

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            • #7
              writefln

              Originally posted by cl333r View Post
              Thanks, good to know systemd is doing well and is gonna be default in F15.
              Also, the (new) D programming language (ldc) doesn't seem to work ok, it doesn't compile a simple hello world test app, it yields errors. D'you happen to know if it's by design or a bug?

              import std.stdio;
              int main() {
              writeln("hello world");
              return 0;
              }
              Use "writefln", not "writeln", and it will work.

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              • #8
                Sadly, this time the Fedora feature list lacks anything interesting for the average desktop user, apart from the obvious upstream advances. I'm aware that the BIG THING in F14 was supposed to be Gnome 3.0, and that won't be in for obvious reasons, but I would have gone through the extra effort to have systemd in. On my systems it was working seamlessly since version 10, but there might have been other regressions on different platforms, I don't know.

                However, this release is going to feel quite boring for a good set of users, and this is generally bad PR.

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                • #9
                  One word: Spice.

                  Finally KVM will be able to do decent work as desktop virtualization solution (as opposed to server only).

                  - Gilboa
                  DEV: Intel S2600C0, 2xE52658V2, 32GB, 4x2TB + 2x3TB, GTX780, F21/x86_64, Dell U2711.
                  SRV: Intel S5520SC, 2xX5680, 36GB, 4x2TB, GTX550, F21/x86_64, Dell U2412..
                  BACK: Tyan Tempest i5400XT, 2xE5335, 8GB, 3x1.5TB, 9800GTX, F21/x86-64.
                  LAP: ASUS N56VJ, i7-3630QM, 16GB, 1TB, 635M, F21/x86_64.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by gilboa View Post
                    One word: Spice.

                    Finally KVM will be able to do decent work as desktop virtualization solution (as opposed to server only).

                    - Gilboa
                    Yes I'm aware of the usefulness of Spice in highly virtualized environments, but the average desktop user's virtualization needs (if any) are already fully satisfied by virt-manager.
                    I still claim that this Fedora version overlooked the desktop users, luckily F15 won't.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Azmo View Post
                      Use "writefln", not "writeln", and it will work.
                      Thanks, but I still got same error:
                      ldc test.d
                      object.d: Error: module object cannot read file 'object.d'
                      import path[0] = /usr/include/d/
                      import path[1] = /usr/include/d/tango
                      import path[2] = /usr/include/d/tango/core/vendor

                      File "test.d" is in home dir, compiling with "ldc test.d".
                      Does it work for you?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by gilboa View Post
                        One word: Spice.

                        Finally KVM will be able to do decent work as desktop virtualization solution (as opposed to server only).

                        - Gilboa
                        I haven't heard of Spice, but it sounds interesting. What about it makes KVM easier?
                        If all it does is make Networking less of a PITA, then I'm all for it.

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                        • #13
                          Yeah, I would be interested too. How does it improve desktop virt?

                          As far as I know it's a remote protocol ala VNC or RDP, why would one use that on a desktop?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by pvtcupcakes View Post
                            I haven't heard of Spice, but it sounds interesting. What about it makes KVM easier?
                            If all it does is make Networking less of a PITA, then I'm all for it.
                            Simple: Spice gives you 2D acceleration under both Windows and Linux, including cursor support using native X.org and Windows drivers (qxl drivers).
                            While I played with an early version of it, the different was striking: No more cursor jerkiness and slow window updates (especially if you opt for -vga std in qemu in-order to use very high resolution).

                            While it won't run Aero/7 or Compiz/kwin/Xorg, it should give you near native experience.

                            As for virt-manager, well, virt manager is limited to what qemu supplies, either cirrus logic mode (medium performance, very limited resolution set), std (vesa, large number of resolutions to select from, fairly slow) or vmware (somewhat faster then both, highly configurable, very buggy). Spice aims to change all than by adding the qxl virtual device (and its drivers).

                            - Gilboa
                            DEV: Intel S2600C0, 2xE52658V2, 32GB, 4x2TB + 2x3TB, GTX780, F21/x86_64, Dell U2711.
                            SRV: Intel S5520SC, 2xX5680, 36GB, 4x2TB, GTX550, F21/x86_64, Dell U2412..
                            BACK: Tyan Tempest i5400XT, 2xE5335, 8GB, 3x1.5TB, 9800GTX, F21/x86-64.
                            LAP: ASUS N56VJ, i7-3630QM, 16GB, 1TB, 635M, F21/x86_64.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by curaga View Post
                              Yeah, I would be interested too. How does it improve desktop virt?

                              As far as I know it's a remote protocol ala VNC or RDP, why would one use that on a desktop?
                              There has to be some way for the virtualized GUI to be displayed on your screen. KVM uses the 'cirrus' driver, and the virt-manager interface is the equivalent of vnc-viewer with additional virtualization options.

                              SPICE is significantly faster than VNC. It provides accelerated 2D for Linux and Windows guests. It will be possible to play Netflix on Linux via a Windows guest.
                              There is a great comparison of how awesome SPICE is here http://www.brianmadden.com/blogs/gab...nce-video.aspx.
                              To summarize the SPICE-related video performance, he had a VM server attached via gigabit ethernet to guest systems. With an old version of SPICE (>1 year ago), the clients could perfectly play The Matrix Revolutions in HD (720p I believe) with no choppiness and a/v in sync.
                              SPICE also implements a hardware cursor, so you don't see the host pointer and guest pointer (lagging slightly).

                              Note that this is accelerated 2D, so there's no way to play games with it.

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