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  • As A Feature, Fedora 14 May Actually Ship On Time

    Phoronix: As A Feature, Fedora 14 May Actually Ship On Time

    Red Hat's John Poelstra who is the Program Manager for Fedora and its "feature wrangler" has proposed an interesting feature today for Fedora 14: to actually ship it on time. The goal would be to not only ship Fedora 14 final according to their release schedule, but the alpha and beta releases too...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=ODM4Mw

  • #2
    lets hope this feature will make it into the alpha in time

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    • #3
      If the massive overhauls to half a dozen key systems from fedora 8 to fedora 13 hasn't killed everyone... I'm sure getting back on schedule isn't that big of a deal. If fedora 14 can get as far into open source 3d as 12 got into 2d there won't be much to do for 15. All the other ones though would start with sane feature lists and then add 5 more categories 2 weeks before beta. LOL

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      • #4
        Who gives a damn, honestly. They should ship it when it's ready like always, I don't get why everyone wants to go Ubuntu nowadays.

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        • #5
          Never mind the got python 2.7 on the feature list for 14. It's do or die. They aren't done the max pain developement model yet.

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          • #6
            I don't care about delayed Fedora releases. One or two weeks just don't matter. No release had servere bugs, you just install and it runs. Back in my Ubuntu days I've seen patchorgys just after release just to get it run.

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            • #7
              before doing a ubuntu upgrade i always wait minimum one week. so that the bugs get sorted out.

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              • #8
                Let's go back to Windows 9x! Fedora is already as bleeding edge as possible, yet cutting release schedules to get it out is perfectly sane!

                FASTER! FASTER! FASTER!

                Nowadays even commercial software giants delay if it's not ready and right. Vista has been overhauled three times. Apple spend 10 years before the iPad was where it didn't totally suck.

                Wake up...

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                • #9
                  The idea is simply to do the development right so that it works within schedule and we don't have to delay to release with the right quality. Take it from me, we (QA) are still not going to let anything go out that doesn't meet the release criteria.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by AdamW View Post
                    The idea is simply to do the development right so that it works within schedule and we don't have to delay to release with the right quality. Take it from me, we (QA) are still not going to let anything go out that doesn't meet the release criteria.
                    The very company that you work for took Fedora 12 to make RHEL 6.0 that's released just days ago and you tell me that what's released today is the 'right quality'? And then you want to put more pressure on the release?

                    I just updated the very Fedora install that I'm posting this from and I get more updates on almost a daily basis than the hack and slash Ubuntu with their blended Linux kernels and X version.

                    You've got to be kidding me!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                      The very company that you work for took Fedora 12 to make RHEL 6.0 that's released just days ago and you tell me that what's released today is the 'right quality'? And then you want to put more pressure on the release?

                      I just updated the very Fedora install that I'm posting this from and I get more updates on almost a daily basis than the hack and slash Ubuntu with their blended Linux kernels and X version.

                      You've got to be kidding me!
                      If you actually believe RHEL 6 represents any single Fedora release, you do not understand the process. Besides Fedora updates on a daily basis is because updates currently are not limited to security and bug fixes but new features as well. That might change for the upcoming release but getting a release out on time is not something to be so critical about. It is a good thing.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by RahulSundaram View Post
                        If you actually believe RHEL 6 represents any single Fedora release, you do not understand the process.
                        That was exactly my point; it can't. Fedora's basically a R&D lab that tries to make the latest, greatest and most fragile FLOSS available for end users. It is no wonder that RHEL doesn't represent Fedora even if it uses it as a starting point. There is all kinds of stability work, testing and putting it to the test for certification to become ready for the enterprise.

                        Now then, as Red Hat has to do all these things to make Fedora worty of doing enterprise work, how is stressing the Fedora development going to ensure endusers will even be able to use Fedora as a Linux distribution for their daily computing needs?


                        Besides Fedora updates on a daily basis is because updates currently are not limited to security and bug fixes but new features as well. That might change for the upcoming release but getting a release out on time is not something to be so critical about. It is a good thing.
                        Even so; it can't even keep Empathy from crashing on a daily basis. And that is the nature of Fedora and the bleeding edge is what I like and want and I know what comes along with it. But if the QA isn't going to work for this new mentality then I don't know if I can still use Fedora. The sad reality is that if Fedora would become even more fragile than I have to go back to Ubuntu or find myself once again another distro.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                          But if the QA isn't going to work for this new mentality then I don't know if I can still use Fedora. The sad reality is that if Fedora would become even more fragile than I have to go back to Ubuntu or find myself once again another distro.
                          I have to admit I don't understand why you are saying this. It contradicts everything in the article and everything that the Fedora folks here have posted.

                          The plan is to tweak upstream practices to reduce the chance of blocker bugs appearing late in the cycle, not to lower the quality bar.

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                          • #14
                            The real breaker for me is Fedora's massive lack of polish. Even if Ubuntu has a few bugs, they are quickly fixed.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                              The very company that you work for took Fedora 12 to make RHEL 6.0 that's released just days ago and you tell me that what's released today is the 'right quality'? And then you want to put more pressure on the release?

                              I just updated the very Fedora install that I'm posting this from and I get more updates on almost a daily basis than the hack and slash Ubuntu with their blended Linux kernels and X version.

                              You've got to be kidding me!
                              RHEL 6 is not done yet. It'll be turned inside out by hundereds of people in pre migration testing. Those guys can find 10 times more bugs than anything the community testers can find. It's just layers of testing.

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