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    Phoronix: Fedora 13 Is Set To Premiere Today

    Following a last minute setback, Red Hat is set to release Fedora 13 this morning. Fedora 13 integrates many package updates and new features for this first major update to Red Hat's community operating system for 2010...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=ODI4MQ

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    No need to mention the even bigger AMD/ATi support of open source drivers.

    Be sure only to mention nVidia support, and not to mention that nVidia won't support open source drivers in any way.

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    • #3
      Thanks to every single dev!
      Here are the torrents, for those who are interested:
      http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Louise View Post
        No need to mention the even bigger AMD/ATi support of open source drivers. Be sure only to mention nVidia support, and not to mention that nVidia won't support open source drivers in any way.
        Good support for open-source ATI drivers isn't a feature unique or exclusive to Fedora. Michael probably mentioned tightly-integrated Nouveau because Fedora is among the first to use it as default (although a bleeding-edge open-source graphics stack was mentioned in regards to intel/ATI et al.).

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        • #5
          It's seems it's a great release, because beta was rock solid and very fast. Downloading DVD right now. Delta rpm's, file system checking working properly (in the newest Ubuntu it's messed up, because it takes very long...), PTS isn't working in Kubuntu, because of some ibus error. Those are things which make me forget about (K)Ubuntu right now. Btw. if I would decide to use Gnome I would choose Fedora instead of Ubuntu, because Fedora is mono apps free and it has some fine tools (maybe they're available for Ubuntu too, but I wonder if they're integrated so well).

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          • #6
            "Following a last minute setback, Red Hat is set to release Fedora 13 this morning. Fedora 13 integrates many package updates and new features for this first major update to Red Hat's community operating system for 2010"

            You don't need to put Red Hat so front and centre. Red Hat does not release Fedora, the Fedora Project does (it's a significant difference, the two are different entities with different governance). And Fedora is not really 'Red Hat's community operating system' - see above.

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            • #7
              Exactly how bleeding edge is bleeding edge as far as the X.org driver stack is concerned? There must be some point in development where they stopped pulling and started testing, right?

              Considdering that I never boot Windows again, wouldn't it be smarter to just unplug my evergreen card and go with my onboard r600? Or does Evergreen pack some nice features in Fedora13?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                Considdering that I never boot Windows again, wouldn't it be smarter to just unplug my evergreen card and go with my onboard r600?
                If you want to go with the OSS driver it is.

                Or does Evergreen pack some nice features in Fedora13?
                Nope. If there's any work on Evergreen being done it's behind closed doors at ATI.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by monraaf View Post
                  If you want to go with the OSS driver it is.

                  Nope. If there's any work on Evergreen being done it's behind closed doors at ATI.
                  Ripping it out it is then...

                  OK so my onboard is a HD3300. Can it handle OpenGL (ES) stuff with Fedora? For example Blender and games?

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                  • #10
                    Blender should be fine. As for Games, it depends on the game.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                      Ripping it out it is then...

                      OK so my onboard is a HD3300. Can it handle OpenGL (ES) stuff with Fedora? For example Blender and games?
                      I'm just guessing here but if past performance is indicative of future results then...
                      Fedora 11 fleshed out 2d open source but it was RAW and harsh with tons of people having to install under vesa mode.
                      Fedora 12 made good strides towards getting 2d on everything and somewhat working. Still doesn't work on everything but it moved well and is backporting well.

                      Fedora 13 is going to be kind of raw. But it's getting at the changeover from hal to devicekit so fedora is doing a really respectable job of identifying and taking control of your hardware and using it properly. But I just don't expect to see the opensource driver running rings around anything this release. But I'd be willing to bet most everything in the repos gets running decently by eol and it starts doing some pretty wonderful things with wine by eol.

                      I'm downloading it now and switching soon as I backup and get a chance.

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                      • #12
                        Well the funny thing is that Fedora 12 was buggy as hell untill I installed KDE from the repos.

                        I am realy not kidding you. The transparant Gnome panel got a lot of purple pixel rot. Totem and other apps simply crashed on regular time intervals. It was a complete disaster.

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                        • #13
                          v1ncent: that's not unusual, KDE and GNOME seem to hit rather different rendering paths. I've seen several issues like yours, where one is fine but the other has trouble. To answer your questions, I'd say the easiest way to test is simply 'suck it and see' - grab an F13 live image and try running the apps you care about. There's so many cards out there that, with the additional complications of card/monitor combinations, it's hard to predict with confidence exactly how well any system will run without trying it. I'd say there's a reasonable chance the stuff you need to work will work.

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                          • #14
                            Holy Sweet Mother Of God!

                            Fedora 13 does not only have a sleek as hell theme for the KDE spin and KMS and (at least it appears to so: ) pageflipping non flickering stuff, working on Evergreen.

                            But dear GOD! It... is... so... fscking... fast!

                            I can scroll faster than my 2ms response time flatpanel can handle! And the animations are smooooooooooth! Fscking hell... Konqueror is faaaaaaaaaaaast! Like zooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooof!

                            And scrolling between desktops... man... I can scroll between desktops with my scrollwheel and you can see the monitor not being able to bring up and down the window fast enough because you can see it halve purple-ish and fading-ish.

                            It is insane! I am even running it from a free handed out low-speed 1GB flash drive (on my front USB 1.0 for crying out load!) and everything loads sooooooooooooooo fast! It is as if you take Windows95 and run it on a Core i7 Extreme overclocked.

                            Not to mention that Konqueror now uses the background color of websites for the color that the scroll wheel is supposed to be and the buttons and text input feelds... Wow!

                            Damn... This. Is. Computing, baby!

                            Putting this SOaB on my HDD tommorow!

                            *Yes I'll go sit in the corner and cool down now*

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                            • #15
                              Ya it's great isn't it. But unfortunately they orphaned gnome-applet-netspeed and I can live without that, but I'm not happy. I'm on test box right now seeing where it's at before installing. As great as the new suite of apps like disk utility and the way gnome moves through folders, I'm not upgrading main box. Test box has got a unconcious and won't restart bug reporting tool and I still can't figure out what is wrong with that sucker. Too risky.

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