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  • #61
    Originally posted by Apopas View Post
    If Haiku was installed in the puters that people buy, then Haiku would be the most popular OS in the world.
    Sorry gotta call BS on this. If you knew anything about the history of PC's at one time there was more PC's installed with Deskmate and Desqview then any version of Windows. There also was a time where Apple's OS ruled the market share as well. IBM's until 1995 came with an option, first boot you got to choose Windows and OS/2. Despite all these obstacles and being the inferior solution, Windows still became the number one OS.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by deanjo View Post
      Despite all these obstacles and being the inferior solution, Windows still became the number one OS.
      I guess it's another lesson in what FUD and marketing can achieve. Unfortunately for the end user the superior tech isn't always the biggest market success.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by mugginz View Post
        I guess it's another lesson in what FUD and marketing can achieve. Unfortunately for the end user the superior tech isn't always the biggest market success.
        It's not so much that, what made Windows what it is now is 3rd party support. You get that and everything else falls into place.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by deanjo View Post
          It's not so much that, what made Windows what it is now is 3rd party support. You get that and everything else falls into place.
          I'm not saying the FUD was restricted to just being spread to the end user, just that the end user was, well, on the end of it in the end. It's interesting to read some of the material that was compiled for the US anti-trust litigation. It backs up some of the folk law that was floating around the industry in the early to mid 90s re dirty tricks and such. I guess with the battle for the desktop basically won by then their work was mostly done.

          Computer resellers, especially the smaller shops selling clones in the early days were also prime targets for marketing, who then repeated the message onto their customers.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by deanjo View Post
            Sorry gotta call BS on this. If you knew anything about the history of PC's at one time there was more PC's installed with Deskmate and Desqview then any version of Windows. There also was a time where Apple's OS ruled the market share as well. IBM's until 1995 came with an option, first boot you got to choose Windows and OS/2. Despite all these obstacles and being the inferior solution, Windows still became the number one OS.
            First of all speak better deanjo.
            Second, I'll do just one question. If today OSX was preinstalled in every PC, you believe it wouldn't dominate the market in the very same way windows do atm?

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Apopas View Post
              First of all speak better deanjo.
              Second, I'll do just one question. If today OSX was preinstalled in every PC, you believe it wouldn't dominate the market in the very same way windows do atm?
              Not at all. The OS is only one piece of the puzzle. People buy computers to do a certain tasks that they want to achieve. If the applications to those tasks are not available to run a OS then they switch to one that does have those applications available.

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              • #67
                I also add that people buy and upgrade their system more often when a new version of their OS comes out. It's the OS's and their accompanying software that sells the majority of computer systems out there and not so much the hardware determining the sale of the OS.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                  Not at all. The OS is only one piece of the puzzle. People buy computers to do a certain tasks that they want to achieve. If the applications to those tasks are not available to run a OS then they switch to one that does have those applications available.
                  The switch comes by those who have knowledge. The vast majority of people have less than basic knowledge about computers. The matter is that these tasks that you are talking about aren't exotic at all and OSX provides them plus many many more plus third party support. It persuaded almost 10% of computer users in US to switch because of these. If it was coming preinstalled to every PC the people buy, then the third party support would be even greater.
                  The result? Probably OSX would have the current windows and OSX's share, Linux would be with it's 2-3% and windows would be a distant history.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                    I also add that people buy and upgrade their system more often when a new version of their OS comes out. It's the OS's and their accompanying software that sells the majority of computer systems out there and not so much the hardware determining the sale of the OS.
                    Huh? That's totally irrelevant.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Apopas View Post
                      Huh? That's totally irrelevant.
                      It's not irrelevant at all. It's one of the biggest reasons why people buy new machines. They buy new machines to run the new versions of Windows or to have the capability of running their favorite app.

                      Also remember that OS X wasn't even around until 2001 and windows already had a dominance in the marketshare because of it supporting applications. The biggest reasons that people do not switch is because xyz OS does not run their apps. We have all seen those reasons "I'd switch but xyz isn't available on zyx OS" given too many times to count. Apple was still playing around in the System 1-9 era. When Windows 95 debuted it effectively took all of Apples OS advantages and matched them but still allowed people to use their old DOS based applications. There were also periods in Apple history where they did license out their OS's and allowed clones to be built. Those clones had hardware prices often equal or lower then their PC counterparts and those companies still failed to make any appreciable change in marketshare. Commodore and Atari both had far superior OS's as well back in those days and were one some of the cheapest hardware to be found. Even they still fell victim to the Windows movement because other then gaming they didn't have much at all in the way of productivity software. MS courted that market, gained acceptance by the corporate sector and started their road to dominance.

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