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  • #16
    Originally posted by Ex-Cyber View Post
    Right, but the point of introducing the new syntax was to make the kind of messages you mentioned unnecessary, because the package manager can just rebuild the offending package(s) automatically instead of bugging the user with it.
    No, that is shooting the user in the foot. You will lose functionality that way (for example you need a USE flag enabled, but another package needs it disabled; if it did that on its own, you would be pissed that no one told you).

    What you propose here is an example of not really thinking about a problem

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    • #17
      gentoo
      no jumping-through-loops to get mp3 or avi working
      no 'we are smarter than thou' gui tools getting in my way
      no rpm hell
      no broken init (looking at you debian)
      no hunting for header files (you are ALL guilty, fedora, suse, debian, ubuntu...)
      easy to maintain
      easy to setup
      easy to repair
      easy to de-crappify. I don't want gnome, nothing of it. Nor do I want sendmail. Or apache. Or gstreamer crap.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by energyman View Post
        gentoo
        no jumping-through-loops to get mp3 or avi working
        no 'we are smarter than thou' gui tools getting in my way
        no rpm hell
        no broken init (looking at you debian)
        no hunting for header files (you are ALL guilty, fedora, suse, debian, ubuntu...)
        easy to maintain
        easy to setup
        easy to repair
        easy to de-crappify. I don't want gnome, nothing of it. Nor do I want sendmail. Or apache. Or gstreamer crap.
        Oh come on now, rpm hell is a well out dated argument with the modern package management out there. MP3 and AVI playback on most distro's is as simple as clicking a unofficial package, some even popup a message saying would you like to install the restricted packages upon clicking a file. Hunting for header files is as simple as installing the devel packages. Decrappifying is just as easy, unselect the packages.

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        • #19
          'modern' soso... the last time I had to install mp3 in an opensuse install it wasn't pleasant at all and a lot more than 'just klicking on an unofficial package'. It was like replacing every multimedia related app on the system - and ignoring some crap by the installer. I pulled it of. The girl who owned the computer wasn't able to.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Aradreth View Post
            That pretty much sums me up although I ended up with Arch instead of Gentoo as I prefer binaries with the possibility of building from source then the other way round.
            arch is broken.

            Look at your /boot. How is the kernel binary named?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by energyman View Post
              'modern' soso... the last time I had to install mp3 in an opensuse install it wasn't pleasant at all and a lot more than 'just klicking on an unofficial package'. It was like replacing every multimedia related app on the system - and ignoring some crap by the installer. I pulled it of. The girl who owned the computer wasn't able to.
              Then you have not tried opensuse in some time then I guess.

              http://opensuse-community.org/Restricted_Formats/11.1 <--- one click install
              Last edited by deanjo; 04-05-2009, 12:31 AM.

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              • #22
                12 month ago. Recent enough?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by energyman View Post
                  12 month ago. Recent enough?
                  lol, 1 click installs for opensuse have been around since 10.3 (Oct of 07). Seriously if my preteen kids have no issue getting them installed on their own.....

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                  • #24
                    As always, this kind of thread dissolves into "the distro I'm using is better than yours!"

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                    • #25
                      well, there is gentoo and slackware - and then there is crap.
                      I don't bother with crap.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by energyman View Post
                        arch is broken.

                        Look at your /boot. How is the kernel binary named?
                        By default? 'kernel26.img' I also have a custom 'kernel26-fastboot.img'. Your point?

                        Another Arch user here.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
                          By default? 'kernel26.img' I also have a custom 'kernel26-fastboot.img'. Your point?

                          Another Arch user here.
                          crap. That isn't 'versioning' that is crap. No easy way to tell what version that kernel is and no way to have several kernels around.
                          crap.

                          Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                          lol, 1 click installs for opensuse have been around since 10.3 (Oct of 07). Seriously if my preteen kids have no issue getting them installed on their own.....
                          I had not 'problems' it was just harder than it should be. And it is certainly not 'userfriendly' or 'easy'. With gentoo it is way, way easier.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by RealNC View Post
                            As always, this kind of thread dissolves into "the distro I'm using is better than yours!"
                            Are you suggesting there does exist another purpose to these threads?

                            Also, I use OpenSUSE. I like it how things work and how the OS doesn't automatically assume that I am a lobotomy patient (I say this while glaring at Apple and Microsoft).

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by energyman View Post
                              I had not 'problems' it was just harder than it should be. And it is certainly not 'userfriendly' or 'easy'. With gentoo it is way, way easier.
                              Uhhuh, 1 click and type in your root pass is so hard. Of course you could of just enabled the packman repo (again a click) and hit upgrade to get all the unrestricted packages too or a simple zypper up command for the cli elite.

                              Seriously, how can you honestly say the pains of installing a gentoo system is easy but a one click install of multimedia is hard?
                              Last edited by deanjo; 04-05-2009, 02:22 AM.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                                You can build from source from any distro. In fact I usually rebuild the critical openSUSE 64-bit packages (ones that do seem to benefit processor specific optimizations) from with the flags I want using the build service.
                                Most distro's aren't rolling releases though. (and making a build script script in arch is really easy compared to some of the others I've tried.)

                                Originally posted by energyman View Post
                                arch is broken.

                                Look at your /boot. How is the kernel binary named?
                                Works fine for me, but then you say everything but gentoo and slackware are crap so your opinion does really count in my eyes.

                                Originally posted by energyman View Post
                                I had not 'problems' it was just harder than it should be. And it is certainly not 'userfriendly' or 'easy'. With gentoo it is way, way easier.
                                My father managed just fine with openSUSE (codecs and all) but I seriously doubt he would be able to install gentoo. So openSUSE is user friendly and gentoo isn't.

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