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    Phoronix: GNOME 3.0 Art / User-Interface Roadmap

    With GNOME 2.24 having been released this week, attention will soon turn to developing the 2.26 series followed by GNOME 2.28. Following that, at some point in early 2010 we should see the release of GNOME 3.0 (what otherwise would have been known as GNOME 2.30)...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=Njc0OA

  • #2
    I like their goals.

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    • #3
      it seems that gnome 3 should just be called gnome 2.30. if that's their goals, then kde 4 should be kalled kde future edition.

      those gtk2.....

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      • #4
        They should brake the ABI/API in GTK for the 3th version, the same with Gnome 3. But that is so much work... why not collaborate with Qt/KDE?

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        • #5
          Gnome is and was mostly about evolution than revolution. Get over it, please.

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          • #6
            art?

            Originally posted by phoronix View Post
            Phoronix: GNOME 3.0 Art / User-Interface Roadmap

            With GNOME 2.24 having been released this week, attention will soon turn to developing the 2.26 series followed by GNOME 2.28. Following that, at some point in early 2010 we should see the release of GNOME 3.0 (what otherwise would have been known as GNOME 2.30)...

            http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=Njc0OA
            The fact that they refer to design as "art" really shows a lot about their degree of sophistication. Can someone define "art" for me please? It has nothing to do with software projects.

            What they will produce is what a bunch of monkey coders slapping together some "art" on whatever it is they put together that day, without any coherent thought.

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            • #7
              Gnome is about having a solid, usable DE that incrementally improves over time. They're not going to do a huge slew of fancy new stuff, even for a full version increment, because it would compromise the stability of the system.

              Also, it's pointless to complain about preliminary plans that won't be finilized for over a year. Things will change, expect it.

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              • #8
                You are right, Gnome is more like a stable DE, but it is not functional neither customizable.

                A stable, functional and customizable DE is KDE 3.5.

                Even the LHC uses KDE

                More photos:
                http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fo...e-35141-3.html
                http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fo...e-35141-5.html

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                • #9
                  to be honest, they actually can't do nothing of really new until they won't seriously rework GTK. it's not because they want a stable DE. KDE3 is stable and no one killed it but they are now working on KDE4 for the future. this means that in any critical environment they will use kde3 and not kde4.

                  so gnome just must say: we don't have the man power to do what's kde doing and maybe never will.

                  about the guy "personne" that talks art as something that has nothing to do with software, you seem to not know how things and human beings work. Microsoft spends a lot of money on artist and psicologist when creating their GUI. This is a vital and important thing for a user. If you notice, Windows always has a GUI that does not disturb anyone, and it's acceptable for 99% users in the world. and this is not coincidence. it's the result of study, research and creation.

                  gnome by default is the ugliest thing I've ever seen in the world, and also kde3 isn't the best thing to look at. and I must say that windows(xp/vista) continues to still be the most neutral GUI design that is suitable for all users. microsoft doesn't really know how to do operating systems, but they do know how to do other things like neutral art GUIs, simplicity in most cases and some other stuff.

                  so to conclude, art in software is very important because it transmits "feelings" to a user. and when a user works on the computer 8 hours a day, art becomes possibly the most important thing after a stable application.

                  ps: to make it clear, I'm personally annoyed from Windows neutral art, but it's like that because it must fit for 99% of people around the world, from home users to offices.
                  Last edited by bulletxt; 09-25-2008, 05:55 PM.

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                  • #10
                    [quote=bulletxt;47148If you notice, Windows always has a GUI that does not disturb anyone[/quote]

                    That disorganized mess of a start menu disturbs me enough, lets just by default have no organization what so ever and slap a apps entry in the root menu. Grrrrr. KDE on the other hand does it right. Organized off the bat in logical categories.

                    it's the result of study, research and creation.
                    ... and then they miss the obvious such as every other media player out there defaults the space bar to pause play, EXCEPT that abortion called WMP.

                    gnome by default is the ugliest thing I've ever seen in the world,
                    No argument there.

                    and also kde3 isn't the best thing to look at.
                    But it is polished enough that it looks @ home in a professional environment.

                    One thing that disturbs me about gnome is the "kiddie computer" look it has. KDE 4 started doing that "bloated" look and feel as well but at least one can minimize that with it custom settings.

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                    • #11
                      don't get me wrong. My point is that Windows GUI is ok for 99% of users. I didn't talk about Start menu organization. I was talking about colours and stuff like that.

                      About kde3, I didn't mean it's ugly, I meant it's absolutely not "professional" as Windows.

                      KDE4 finally looks professional just as Windows and also more than MacOS.

                      About gnome, there is nothing to say about it.

                      So to conclude, my point is: KDE folks have understood kde3 problems and are fixing them in an excellent way with KDE4. Gnome instead? Not sure about their future... their plans are almost as silly as a Microsoft plan about security on their new operating system..
                      Last edited by bulletxt; 09-25-2008, 06:48 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by bulletxt View Post
                        don't get me wrong. My point is that Windows GUI is ok for 99% of users.
                        That's mostly because 99% of pc users don't know anything else exists.

                        Originally posted by bulletxt View Post
                        About kde3, I didn't mean it's ugly, I meant it's absolutely not "professional" as Windows.
                        It's much prettier than either XP's teletubby or plain gray look. Vista on the other hand does look nice, I have to agree. But it wastes
                        a lot of screen real estate for useless transparency.

                        Originally posted by bulletxt View Post

                        About gnome, there is nothing to say about it.

                        So to conclude, my point is: KDE folks have understood kde3 problems and are fixing them in an excellent way with KDE4. Gnome instead? Not sure about their future... their plans are almost as silly as a Microsoft plan about security on their new operating system..
                        Which is kind of sad since Gnome has all of RedHat, Canonical and most
                        of Novell backing them.

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                        • #13
                          [flame-mode]
                          To all gnome-bashers: at least Gnome works (KDE 4, cough)
                          [/flame-mode]

                          I've yet to find a single person who isn't able to use a Gnome DE out of the box, from my 11 year old nephew to my computer-illiterate mother and several windows-convert friends. Besides, they love how easily they can change themes, colors and fonts.

                          KDE 3 may have been considered classy back in its day, but it's just plain ugly by today's standards. KDE 4.0 was released broken. It's only 4.1 that is starting to look usable for a modern desktop.

                          I have to use several different DEs at work and university, some by choice, some not: Win2K/XP/Vista, MacOS, KDE 3, Gnome (2.16-2.23), XFCE. Among those, it's always Gnome that sets itself apart. Its single biggest advantage is usability (little clutter, everything is where you expect it to be), but I also prefer it for its aesthetics (clean and proffessional) and homogeinity (no big breaking layout changes between versions, gradual improvements).

                          Ok, back to flaming now!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by KDesk View Post
                            They should brake the ABI/API in GTK for the 3th version, the same with Gnome 3. But that is so much work... why not collaborate with Qt/KDE?
                            Because Gnome is an interface which is supposed to serve as the standard interface of the GNU Kernel (called: 'hurd') that's still in development.

                            Roots of Gnome: GNU
                            Roots of KDE: Linux

                            Personally, I prefer Gnome because I find it more intuitive. I do not dislike KDE however (I used that at first for years actually).
                            Last edited by MaestroMaus; 09-26-2008, 09:42 AM. Reason: typo's

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