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  • #16
    Originally posted by Yorgos View Post
    when exactly did they fix the bugs,
    One of the big parts of frameworks 5 was a huge increase in unit tests, a policy of adding unit tests when bugs are found, a continuous integration system that builds and tests every commit, and an "always green" rule that says that all unit tests must always be passing.

    Originally posted by Yorgos View Post
    in the 4th version you had dolphin, which was more frustrating than using plain terminal the whole time,
    That is your opinion. I disagree completely, I think it is the best file manager I have ever seen anywhere. Different people like different things, that is hardly a fundamental failing of KDE.

    Originally posted by Yorgos View Post
    you had reqonk, that except from the pain in the ass to make it work properly with some plugins, it has no reason of existense,
    rekonq is a third-party project using KDE's libraries, it is not part of the normal KDE SC releases and the people in charge of projects like konqueror and kdelibs have zero control over it.

    Originally posted by Yorgos View Post
    konqueror, which served as everything in the previous versions, got stripped of some features, dolphin was purged as the file manager
    Konqueror is still the official KDE web browser, and still works perfectly well as a file browser.

    Originally posted by Yorgos View Post
    they added dragon player and phonon, which is worse than vlc, they kill kaffeine which worked perfectly.
    Dragon player is meant as an ultra-minimal media player, of course it has far fewer features compared to vlc. vlc already exists and already works quite well as a Qt media player, no need to make another one.

    Kaffeine, again, is a third-party project using KDE libraries, the KDE SC developers have no control whatsoever over it, not to mention the power to "kill" it. It hasn't been getting updates because the sole developer no longer has time for it, it has nothing to do with any decision by any KDE developers.

    Originally posted by Yorgos View Post
    they made everything more complicated with phonon,
    Uh, phonon doesn't make anything more complicated, quite the opposite. It makes it much simpler to add basic media playback to applications like konqueror and dolphin that don't need all the features of something like VLC. Nobody is forced to use phonon, all the other media frameworks are still available if someone wants to make something more advanced.

    Originally posted by Yorgos View Post
    which by the way got a shitload of money from the eu, as funds to be developed
    Nepomuk the general-purpose semantic desktop standard got money from the EU. KDE made their own implementation of that standard, but KDE never got a single cent from the EU for that.

    Originally posted by Yorgos View Post
    on the laptop side, they removed the power save/performance modes, because they believe that they can do a proper energy management. seriously...
    No, they removed the power save/performance modes because they believe that the kernel can do better energy management than either them or users.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Yorgos View Post
      I thought we were talking about network manager and their intefacing with network cards...
      calm your tits,
      I am talking about intel wifi card, not an intel cpu.
      you cannot claim that something works if it works for you,
      I got like a zillion wifi atheros cards and they work fine,
      but when it comes to some intel and some bcm the thing hangs.
      KDE has no control whatsoever over the NetworkManager stack.

      Originally posted by Yorgos View Post
      when a new piece of shit is announced by the "whoever own qt" company,
      kde is policing it and pass it as something wonderful.
      they do not even wait for things to get stable, they rush it into production.
      Name any instance where this has happened. And considering you don't know what projects are actually part of KDE and which are third-party projects, I suggest you check to make sure that the project you name actually comes from Qt and was actually implemented by a part of KDE.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Yorgos View Post
        both amd and intel systems?
        I thought we were talking about network manager and their intefacing with network cards...
        calm your tits,
        I am talking about intel wifi card, not an intel cpu.
        you cannot claim that something works if it works for you,
        I got like a zillion wifi atheros cards and they work fine,
        but when it comes to some intel and some bcm the thing hangs.
        Really? All of my Intel systems had an Intel wifi card (imagine that), and my AMD systems obviously had other things - I didn't think it would be too hard to parse that. In my experience, all of the Intel wifi cards I have used have worked right out the box with no issue. Again, KDE has nothing to do with the NetworkManager stack anyways - they just provide a GUI for it that you can either use, or not use. The GTK one works fine in KDE, too, although it is pretty ugly.


        Originally posted by Yorgos View Post
        kde sc 4 is ugly rock solid, even after 6 years of development, w/o counting the beta.
        "whoever owns qt" and kde have been evolving side by side,
        when a new piece of shit is announced by the "whoever own qt" company,
        kde is policing it and pass it as something wonderful.
        they do not even wait for things to get stable, they rush it into production.


        I am happy that some DEs are not following what a company releases.

        I am not using my computers for browsing fb or twitter, I am using them for production, and rock solid is not something that I can call kde, or gnome to be fair.
        Um, what? I don't even know what to say about this. Digia owns QT. KDE != QT. They are two separate entities. Before you complained that KDE only added new visual stuff and didn't fix bugs, and now you are saying KDE is rock solid but ugly? What? Try harder to troll man, you need to work on getting to the funkSTAR (RIP in piece) level.

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        • #19
          It's too bad that the Plasma5 release won't have the entire collection of new default themes
          The panel theme and Window Decorations it has, but not the... QtCurve? theme (whatever it is that governs the general look like a GTK+ theme would) and the new default icon set.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by bakgwailo View Post
            Really? All of my Intel systems had an Intel wifi card (imagine that), and my AMD systems obviously had other things - I didn't think it would be too hard to parse that.
            fwiw, I've had AMD computers that had intel wifi chips. In fact, my current computer has an Intel mini-pcie wifi board. It wouldn't surprise me (although I'm sure it's much less common) to see a broadcom or atheros wifi chip in an Intel system, either.

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            • #21
              Awesome. In a few weeks I'll be reinstalling my primary desktop, and I'll put KF5+Plasma Next on it right off the bat (putting things into /opt is for the weak! ). That's a nice opportunity, since openSUSE didn't do a March release. Sometime in the 13.2 cycle I might do another clean install with Wayland. The future is certainly very close!

              So I thought about replying to Yorgos, but it looks like he's another iteration of funkSTAR, so I won't bother because that would be pointless. But some corrections to the replies by others:

              Originally posted by bakgwailo View Post
              Haven't tried kvpnc before (most VPNs I have been forced to use have their own proprietary client - if I am lucky).
              KVpnc is a KDE 3 app. You might as well forget it.


              Originally posted by bakgwailo View Post
              KDE 4 is pretty rock solid at this point in time, at 4.13.x. BTW, they haven't changed or shipped new icons ("buttons") since KDE4 has been released.
              KDE SC 4, you mean? Or just kdelibs 4? And they do have a new icon theme, but they're taking things slowly. It will be released when it's fully done. Though I'll most likely keep using Oxygen, those icons are amazing.

              Originally posted by TheBlackCat View Post
              rekonq is a third-party project using KDE's libraries, it is not part of the normal KDE SC releases and the people in charge of projects like konqueror and kdelibs have zero control over it.
              Not to mention that it's very useful overall. I have Firefox open on my left screen and rekonq on the right. What Firefox fails to display correctly, rekonq shows fine. For instance, one news website I read has a crazy script that powers a live news feed, and on Firefox it causes it to eat all the CPU time (even for a bit after the tab gets closed), on rekonq it's completely fine. Similarly with some HTML5 content on YouTube. And not to mention that Firefox takes about 30 seconds to start, while rekonq starts immediately.

              Originally posted by TheBlackCat View Post
              Konqueror is still the official KDE web browser, and still works perfectly well as a file browser.
              Hmm, I've heard somewhere that there were plans to deprecate it... I don't see a reason to use it any more, since Dolphin, rekonq, Okular, KInfoCenter etc. exist now. I only have it installed because rekonq has a dependency on it (or rather its plugin framework, so it's a packaging issue more than anything).

              Originally posted by TheBlackCat View Post
              Nepomuk the general-purpose semantic desktop standard got money from the EU. KDE made their own implementation of that standard, but KDE never got a single cent from the EU for that.
              And KDE Nepomuk is now deprecated in favour of Baloo.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
                Hmm, I've heard somewhere that there were plans to deprecate it... I don't see a reason to use it any more, since Dolphin, rekonq, Okular, KInfoCenter etc. exist now. I only have it installed because rekonq has a dependency on it (or rather its plugin framework, so it's a packaging issue more than anything).
                I haven't heard that. It would surprise me. Last I heard there were still people maintaining khtml. I think as long as that is the case konqueror will stay around. Besides, with konqueror gone KDE would have no default web browser (last I heard the maintainer of rekonq didn't want to be tied to KDE SC releases, although that may be a moot point with frameworks 5).

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by mark45 View Post
                  It's Digia's fault for coming up with PR names (which are always shitty) instead of mnemonic ones, so don't blame the guy, blame the idiots taking naming decisions.
                  I always thought that "Qt 5.3" was quite obvious, but maybe this kind of naming does indeed need some explanation.

                  The "Qt" part is actually the name of the product, a multi-platform application development framework. It already had that name under its original owner, Trolltech, so is unlikely to be changed by any subsequent party for continuation reasons.

                  The "5.3" part is something usually referred to as a version number. It looks like a general floating point number but it is not.
                  I guess this is where you have problems with understanding.

                  It is basically two numbers joined into a tuple by a dot:

                  - the first number, in this case 5, is called the major version. It refers to which generation of the product one is looking at
                  - the second number, in this case 3, is called the minor version. It refers to an incremental improvement step within the generation.

                  So "Qt 5.3" is the 5th generation of a product named Qt, after its 3rd improvement iteration cycle.

                  This kind of naming scheme is actually quite common for software, you will very likely find it on lots of other products.

                  Hope this helps you to understand this better

                  Cheers,
                  _

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by TheBlackCat View Post
                    I haven't heard that. It would surprise me. Last I heard there were still people maintaining khtml. I think as long as that is the case konqueror will stay around. Besides, with konqueror gone KDE would have no default web browser (last I heard the maintainer of rekonq didn't want to be tied to KDE SC releases, although that may be a moot point with frameworks 5).
                    I don't think Midori has direct ties with Xfce, but that doesn't stop Xfce from recommending Midori as the default browser.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by anda_skoa View Post
                      I always thought that "Qt 5.3" was quite obvious, but maybe this kind of naming does indeed need some explanation.

                      The "Qt" part is actually the name of the product, a multi-platform application development framework. It already had that name under its original owner, Trolltech, so is unlikely to be changed by any subsequent party for continuation reasons.

                      The "5.3" part is something usually referred to as a version number. It looks like a general floating point number but it is not.
                      I guess this is where you have problems with understanding.

                      It is basically two numbers joined into a tuple by a dot:

                      - the first number, in this case 5, is called the major version. It refers to which generation of the product one is looking at
                      - the second number, in this case 3, is called the minor version. It refers to an incremental improvement step within the generation.

                      So "Qt 5.3" is the 5th generation of a product named Qt, after its 3rd improvement iteration cycle.

                      This kind of naming scheme is actually quite common for software, you will very likely find it on lots of other products.

                      Hope this helps you to understand this better

                      Cheers,
                      _
                      Omg! I think you killed a troll! You are a hero! So the prophecy was true...

                      btw good job KDE team! I must try the framework in my next application, look like a lot of cleanups happened!

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by anda_skoa View Post
                        I always thought that "Qt 5.3" was quite obvious, but maybe this kind of naming does indeed need some explanation.

                        The "Qt" part is actually the name of the product, a multi-platform application development framework. It already had that name under its original owner, Trolltech, so is unlikely to be changed by any subsequent party for continuation reasons.

                        The "5.3" part is something usually referred to as a version number. It looks like a general floating point number but it is not.
                        I guess this is where you have problems with understanding.

                        It is basically two numbers joined into a tuple by a dot:

                        - the first number, in this case 5, is called the major version. It refers to which generation of the product one is looking at
                        - the second number, in this case 3, is called the minor version. It refers to an incremental improvement step within the generation.

                        So "Qt 5.3" is the 5th generation of a product named Qt, after its 3rd improvement iteration cycle.

                        This kind of naming scheme is actually quite common for software, you will very likely find it on lots of other products.

                        Hope this helps you to understand this better

                        Cheers,
                        _
                        You sir just won 5 internets

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
                          KDE SC 4, you mean? Or just kdelibs 4? And they do have a new icon theme, but they're taking things slowly. It will be released when it's fully done. Though I'll most likely keep using Oxygen, those icons are amazing.
                          I mean KDE 4, which is now know as the collection of KDE SC 4 and kdelibs 4. It is just easier to say KDE 4.13.x, instead of KDE SC 4.13.x on top of KDE Frameworks 4.11.x. There is also no new default icon theme planned for the 4.x branch - that is in the 5.x space. At least, AFIAK.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by bakgwailo View Post
                            There is also no new default icon theme planned for the 4.x branch - that is in the 5.x space. At least, AFIAK.
                            Oh, yes, I thought you were talking about KF5.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
                              I don't think Midori has direct ties with Xfce, but that doesn't stop Xfce from recommending Midori as the default browser.
                              I would think Otter-Browser would be a better choice here, personally. It (with it's goal to match Opera 12.x features completely in Qt5.x) seems to match KDE and it's users much better than the minimalist Midori. If it got the KDE SC developers behind it and they could improve upon the interface a lot, I'd probably use it as my main browser.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Daktyl198 View Post
                                I would think Otter-Browser would be a better choice here, personally. It (with it's goal to match Opera 12.x features completely in Qt5.x) seems to match KDE and it's users much better than the minimalist Midori. If it got the KDE SC developers behind it and they could improve upon the interface a lot, I'd probably use it as my main browser.
                                I'm open to alternative browsers, but in this Orwellian world, they have to come with the important extensions from firefox.

                                And that is the killer feature of FF, always has been. It's hard to switch after you get used to NoScript, CS Lite, Ghostery, Secret Agent and the like.

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