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    Phoronix: LXQt Now Has Full Qt5 Support

    The "LXQt" desktop that's a Qt version of the lightweight LXDE desktop can now be compiled using Qt5 where as previously there were still Qt4 dependencies...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTczMTc

  • #2
    It would be really awesome to run LXQt on Wayland!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by JörnS View Post
      It would be really awesome to run LXQt on Wayland!
      Just wait for Kwin

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      • #4
        Originally posted by JörnS View Post
        It would be really awesome to run LXQt on Wayland!
        It would be ironic for "Lightweight X Desktop Environment" to run on non-X.

        Jokes aside. LXDE doesn't have its own window manager so I wonder if they will use one of the existing wayland compositors or they will port openbox (the X window manager they currently recommend) to be a wayland compositor.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Krejzi View Post
          <..> or they will port openbox (the X window manager they currently recommend) to be a wayland compositor.
          Would be wonderful!

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          • #6
            Unless Wayland gets "network transparency" A lot of people will still need X based systems. Here's hoping either Wayland implements it or XWayland would be enough. In the long term I doubt XWayland would be enough.

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            • #7
              Awesome news. And Gentoo already has 0.7 in ~amd64. Can't wait to try it all out in two weeks.

              Originally posted by Krejzi View Post
              It would be ironic for "Lightweight X Desktop Environment" to run on non-X.
              You mean the "Lightweight X Qt"?

              Originally posted by Krejzi View Post
              Jokes aside. LXDE doesn't have its own window manager so I wonder if they will use one of the existing wayland compositors or they will port openbox (the X window manager they currently recommend) to be a wayland compositor.
              Openbox is entirely dependent on X. Trying to port it means recreating it from scratch, and I think they have more interesting ways of spending their time. KWin is supported just as well, and perhaps they could also add support for Weston.

              Originally posted by pouar View Post
              Unless Wayland gets "network transparency" A lot of people will still need X based systems. Here's hoping either Wayland implements it or XWayland would be enough. In the long term I doubt XWayland would be enough.
              "A lot of people" that require network transparency being like five.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by pouar View Post
                Unless Wayland gets "network transparency" A lot of people will still need X based systems. Here's hoping either Wayland implements it or XWayland would be enough. In the long term I doubt XWayland would be enough.

                Sigh.

                Gui programs on linux haven't been network transparent for a long time. Instead, it has been mostly sending screenshots over the network in a very inefficient manner.

                Wayland will be better for gui apps over the network.

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                • #9
                  I don't see how 'converting' Openbox to be a Wayland compositor could make any sense - it does almost nothing beyond allowing you to drag windows about, with minimal UI, so just about all the code will be X11-specific. Porting a big flashy thing like KWin is reasonable, because it has a ton of fancy effects, desktop switching UI, theming and menus that aren't directly related to the actual window management.

                  Originally posted by pouar View Post
                  Unless Wayland gets "network transparency" A lot of people will still need X based systems. Here's hoping either Wayland implements it or XWayland would be enough. In the long term I doubt XWayland would be enough.
                  I bet the number of people who currently use X network transparency is almost nil. Both the major toolkits use features that aren't properly network-transparent, so those hypothetical people must be using 10-15 year-old applications drawing X primitives directly (or does Motif or something equally antiquated support it)?

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                  • #10
                    Openbox isn't a compositor, as far as I know. So they'll need to port Compton. Kwin will probably arrive sooner though. While Kwin is quite heavy, it's still fast if you don't use fancy effects.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ua=42 View Post
                      Sigh.

                      Gui programs on linux haven't been network transparent for a long time. Instead, it has been mostly sending screenshots over the network in a very inefficient manner.

                      Wayland will be better for gui apps over the network.
                      At least X sends something over the network. What I want is a way for Wayland to do something that looks similar, be it client side rendering or screenshots. Just something I can actually use. Right now I'm using Xpra instead of regular X fowarding because regular X fowarding uses a huge amount of bandwidth and can't handle disconnecting and reconnecting. Or more accuratly a fork because the original isn't maintained anymore.

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                      • #12
                        At least X sends something over the network. What I want is a way for Wayland to do something that looks similar, be it client side rendering or screenshots. Just something I can actually use. Right now I'm using Xpra instead of regular X fowarding because regular X fowarding uses a huge amount of bandwidth and can't handle disconnecting and reconnecting. Or more accuratly a fork because the original isn't maintained anymore.
                        Initial wayland network support was merged in over a year ago. http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/04...d-into-wayland

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                        • #13
                          While we're on the off-topic of network transperancy, is their any reasonable solution like MS' Remote Desktop on the linux world compared to that besides XDMCP, but provides for that integrated experience? Are there any paid-for proprietry solutions as an example of someone who's implemented something at least?

                          And why has this stuff fallen by the wayside? It seems to me that having several servers and desktops interfaces seemlessly 'working' (especially your preferred UI experience) on the local machine to be a pretty good thing. Click button here, work gets done there, and my local machine can get on with doing its own thing.

                          Or has a free RDP implementation been that far integrated already in Wayland that it's effectively replaced and no one knows it exists?

                          Bare in mind, I'm new to this 'old unused' XDMCP tech, so go easy =) I'm just curious as to what's happened to it when so many people still talk about it.
                          Last edited by stiiixy; 06-30-2014, 07:41 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by stiiixy View Post
                            While we're on the off-topic of network transperancy, is their any reasonable solution like MS' Remote Desktop on the linux world compared to that besides XDMCP, but provides for that integrated experience? Are there any paid-for proprietry solutions as an example of someone who's implemented something at least?

                            And why has this stuff fallen by the wayside? It seems to me that having several servers and desktops interfaces seemlessly 'working' (especially your preferred UI experience) on the local machine to be a pretty good thing. Click button here, work gets done there, and my local machine can get on with doing its own thing.

                            Or has a free RDP implementation been that far integrated already in Wayland that it's effectively replaced and no one knows it exists?

                            Bare in mind, I'm new to this 'old unused' XDMCP tech, so go easy =) I'm just curious as to what's happened to it when so many people still talk about it.
                            This pretty much sums up what I was about to post 2 seconds ago.

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                            • #15
                              I actually don't know. Since I haven't needed to remote in 5 years. Hopefully someone else can post.

                              I can tell you that wayland's strategy is to not have a built in networked gui system. They plan to support remote access software (hence the patches a year ago), but they don't plan to have a built in one.

                              I know there are several programs for remote access, and I suspect that once wayland is in the wild they will add support for wayland. I think I remember hearing that one of the remote programs already has support.... but I don't remember the name.

                              Sorry I can't help more.

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