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    Phoronix: Setting Up GNOME Is Easier With Version 3.12

    One of the GNOME 3.12 features not yet talked about on Phoronix is the new gnome-initial-setup for easy first-run configuration options of the GNOME desktop...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTYzMTY

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    Whats the latest on actually running shell under wayland? Is it possible to go completely X-less from gdm to the gnome apps?

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    • #3
      Gnome 3.12 looks pretty good. Visually better than the ugliness of Unity 7 and the clutterness of KDE.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Honton View Post
        Truth is that drivers and wayland is not ready yet. This might change before Gnome 3.14, but initial support at 3.12.0 release day will not be that great.
        The wayland protocol is pretty much ready. The compositors aren't. Gnome 3.10 works great with the Wayland Preview.
        To start it it does require you to have X11 with XWayland support installed even if you don't start a legacy app.

        http://falstaff.agner.ch/2013/10/08/...10-on-wayland/

        Works with Intel Hardware for other open source drive you need the wl-glamor ddx.

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        • #5
          Wayland and HiDPI

          The only thing I look forward is Wayland and HiDPI support in Wayland.
          The other GNOME changes seem rather stupid.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Honton View Post
            You are *BSD guy right? Gnome BSD porters fixed like 130 bugs on Gnome and freedesktop components, and identified at least 20 on FreeBSD. I would find such an endevour quite non-stupid if I cared about *BSD. More fixes might hit the 3.12 release.
            https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Jhbuild/FreeBSD
            No, I use Linux.

            I like the technical advancements of GNOME.
            But not the design changes, such as Nautilus, Gedit, etc. Seems like things getting retarded.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by newwen View Post
              Gnome 3.12 looks pretty good. Visually better than the ugliness of Unity 7 and the clutterness of KDE.
              It's just your opinion, ok. I have a different one and in my opinion gnomes 3 looks much worse than Unity 7 and is usability nightmare compared to KDE.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by newwen View Post
                Gnome 3.12 looks pretty good. Visually better than the ugliness of Unity 7 and the clutterness of KDE.
                visually good? i guess you treat blank screen like piece of art then? i used gnome all the way from beginning and right now both unity and KDE seem like 7th wonder compared to useless crap gnome is becoming with insane design choices. i just need to decide which one i pick, since my switching to cinnamon seems like temporary solution which is now hampered with the fact cinnamon doesn't come with full app stack and new gnome apps look completely out of picture there

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Honton View Post
                  The cinnamon development have gone south since December 2013. The marketing flash is gone, the sponsors are gone, there is no more fork4fame. It was fun and very learning to see a one man army troll thousands of people. Nobody sane would ever believe this was sustainable. The cinamon dude's strategy was to say yes to every user request. He ended up maintaining more than 10 million LOCs he didn't know and still make a decent salary. Good for him, but this fairy tale ended i 2013.
                  at least he did some good. and what he was doing was better than 3 gnome people pretending they know how to design efficient desktop and troll whole community with their insanity. gnome has nothing but total copy/paste usability nightmare where they copy certain features from some softwares without even thinking if that makes any sense. those features made sense where they were copied from, but don't make any sense how they were copied and where

                  gnome has become from best to absolutely worst interface in last 1.5 years.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Honton View Post
                    I doubt that. Cinnamon went nowhere. No one wants to continue development or even fork it. This was code that went nowhere. Let it rest in peace.
                    hmm, based that i said... "i used gnome all the way from beginning and right now both unity and KDE seem like 7th wonder compared to useless crap gnome is becoming with insane design choices. i just need to decide which one i pick, since my switching to cinnamon seems like temporary solution which is now hampered with the fact cinnamon doesn't come with full app stack...". i wonder who is not letting it rest in peace

                    either way, currently Enlightenment or KDE seem most promising to switch to for me. neither one is hampering non-DE applications and both came as usability efficient desktops. and new distro of my choice only needs to fulfil 2 conditions. systemd+good virtualization and possibility of install without single gnome trace. hell, i'm even porting all my apps from gtk to qt. so, yea my hatred for gnome has grown to extreme

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                    • #11
                      Cinnamon is fine as it sits right now, it's my main desktop

                      Originally posted by Honton View Post
                      I doubt that. Cinnamon went nowhere. No one wants to continue development or even fork it. This was code that went nowhere. Let it rest in peace.
                      Went nowhere my spinning platters! Mint's popularity has exploded at the expense of Ubuntu's main distro, and both Cinnamon and MATE have a lot to do with that. Unless Linux Mint goes away, I don't see Cinnamon going away either. If it does, some new theming in MATE along with it's upcoming port to GTK3 and using Compiz w/o Unity could probably copy most or all of it's functionality. Already there is talk of adapting MATE to Wayland.

                      If Cinnamon did not exist, I would probably use its antecedant, which is gnome-shell with the frippery extensions as I did before I discovered MATE. This required pinning gnome-shell and all dependencies through each development cycle and for several weeks to a month therafter, until the Frippery mantainers could catch up. If that became non-viable I would switch to MATE, if that died too I would probably switch all my machines to IceWM like on my laptop.

                      I do not like and will not use a touch-style environment. I don't own any smartphones and have no reason to copy their interface styles, so unmodified gnome-shell or Unity are out.
                      At this point I simply intend to keep using Cinnamon and reject any update to anything that breaks it. I suspect that Mint will continue to offer it in mantainance mode even if all development stops. Some software is perfectly good as it sits and requires only bug-fixes and unbreaking any problems caused by changes in newer libraries. If it never supports Wayland, X isn't going away and there are a hell of a lot of smaller footprint traditional DE's and ultralight DE's that aren't going away either. Worst case, you simply stop updating anything but kernels and maybe video drivers on the basis that what works today works tomorrow with the same hardware.

                      Cinnamon had to be forked from GNOME because of GNOME's contempt for the community as expressed by their intentional breaking of extensions on every upgrade cycle. They forgot that a lot of people don't WANT anyone's standard interface and don't want anyone telling them how to structure their desktop. Without that contempt, Frippery would be much easier to mantain, and Mint et all would use either Frippery or the similar MGSE extensions they developed in-house. GNOME's willful breaking of extensions reminds me of Apple trying to un-jailbreak their hardware and forced Mint to fork their code entirely to create Cinnamon.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                        No, I use Linux.

                        I like the technical advancements of GNOME.
                        But not the design changes, such as Nautilus, Gedit, etc. Seems like things getting retarded.
                        I think I've said this to you before but... I agree with this assessment if not the verbiage.
                        I'm so hoping fedora can make some downstream changes to gnome to make it an environment that makes tasks easier to accomplish.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by justmy2cents View Post
                          at least he did some good. and what he was doing was better than 3 gnome people pretending they know how to design efficient desktop and troll whole community with their insanity. gnome has nothing but total copy/paste usability nightmare where they copy certain features from some softwares without even thinking if that makes any sense. those features made sense where they were copied from, but don't make any sense how they were copied and where

                          gnome has become from best to absolutely worst interface in last 1.5 years.
                          You're very wrong about the gnome folks not thinking about these things. That's not the issue, IMHO. The problem is one of judgment and vision.
                          There's some hope we'll be able to do some proper testing in fedora on the de so maybe we can make things better.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Luke View Post
                            I do not like and will not use a touch-style environment. I don't own any smartphones and have no reason to copy their interface styles, so unmodified gnome-shell or Unity are out.
                            even MS figured this one out. by forcing touch environment on desktop you don't get more touch users, instead you start losing desktop users since you hampered their experience. i'm just wondering who in the right mind would run gnome as bloated as it is on tablet. way of using it as corporate desktop, interface simply breaks too often where using new one is not even resembling previous version

                            Originally posted by Luke View Post
                            Cinnamon had to be forked from GNOME because of GNOME's contempt for the community as expressed by their intentional breaking of extensions on every upgrade cycle. They forgot that a lot of people don't WANT anyone's standard interface and don't want anyone telling them how to structure their desktop. Without that contempt, Frippery would be much easier to mantain, and Mint et all would use either Frippery or the similar MGSE extensions they developed in-house. GNOME's willful breaking of extensions reminds me of Apple trying to un-jailbreak their hardware and forced Mint to fork their code entirely to create Cinnamon.
                            but... but... they know what you want better than you do. yes, it was sarcasm against gnome usability team and their nonsense ideas. also, true about extensions being broken. using variable in each extension on which shell version it works breaks them whole time. if they used API versioning extensions would work without problem. and since most extensions are unmaintained no one is adding new versions.

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                            • #15
                              You can hack g-s extensions to beat version checking

                              Originally posted by justmy2cents View Post
                              but... but... they know what you want better than you do. yes, it was sarcasm against gnome usability team and their nonsense ideas. also, true about extensions being broken. using variable in each extension on which shell version it works breaks them whole time. if they used API versioning extensions would work without problem. and since most extensions are unmaintained no one is adding new versions.
                              When I was relying on Frippery I routinely hacked extension files and/or gnome-shell javascript to bypass version checking, reverting anything that crashed the shell. When something I needed would not run due to true incompatability I rolled back and then pinned gnome-shell. What a nuisance, but better than a touch-style DE. Other option would have been to abandon alphas entirely, pull all important apps +xorg, video drivers, and kernel from PPA's.

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