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    Phoronix: Learning More About KDE's Plasma Next Desktop

    For those KDE users wishing to learn more about the forthcoming "Plasma Next" desktop work alongside KDE Frameworks 5 and Qt5, there's new information available...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTYxMTU

  • #2
    Plasma defiantly looks better than ever. I think Phoronix missed sebas's other articles, like the one on DBUS aware plasmoids and the one on better DPI scaling for Plasma.

    Also, I think Phoronix missed articles on KDE's Visual Design Group. So, far we got the colors that will form KDE desktop and apps color scheme. Next, Monday something on icons will be revealed. Those guys can sure keep up the suspense, so much for the "KDE Leaks Team"!

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    • #3
      That UI is painful in it's 70s filter Penthouse centerfold frostiness. Then the font size over bearing on the buttons. Pass.

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      • #4
        @Marc: that lack of spacing was filed as a bug, it's going to be solved

        Also, Malcer Quaid might be the author of the new default theme. Expect a black, simple, and awesome theme.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Alejandro Nova View Post
          @Marc: that lack of spacing was filed as a bug, it's going to be solved

          Also, Malcer Quaid might be the author of the new default theme. Expect a black, simple, and awesome theme.
          I'll believe that when I see it. For nearly a decade the KDE people have been woefully ignorant of aesthetics. It's like the whole team is colorblind and autistic. I love that they haven't gone full retard like GNOME and Ubuntu have but my god does KDE need a crap ton of work in the design department.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Alejandro Nova View Post
            @Marc: that lack of spacing was filed as a bug, it's going to be solved

            Also, Malcer Quaid might be the author of the new default theme. Expect a black, simple, and awesome theme.
            Let's hope so. That never should have been in there since us at NeXT introduced Interface Builder. UIs should never have that flaw.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by litfan View Post
              I'll believe that when I see it. For nearly a decade the KDE people have been woefully ignorant of aesthetics. It's like the whole team is colorblind and autistic. I love that they haven't gone full retard like GNOME and Ubuntu have but my god does KDE need a crap ton of work in the design department.
              Guess what? If you don't the default theme in KDE you can completely change it, and it's easy they even provide a downloader that will install them for you. As well no matter what it looks like, somebody is going to complain about it, because everyone has different tastes, and I for one do not understand what issue you and others have with the default theme.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Alejandro Nova View Post
                Also, Malcer Quaid might be the author of the new default theme. Expect a black, simple, and awesome theme.
                Weird, since I've previously asked Martin G. about changing/updating the default theme and he said it wasn't going to happen since whatever they changed it to people would complain.

                I happen to be on the side that says a default theme should make users want to use it, not stay the same just because you're afraid of some people (most of whom have other preferred themes anyway) will complain.
                Keeping your theme the same for 20 years (or whatever) "just because" isn't okay...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Luke_Wolf View Post
                  Guess what? If you don't the default theme in KDE you can completely change it, and it's easy they even provide a downloader that will install them for you. As well no matter what it looks like, somebody is going to complain about it, because everyone has different tastes, and I for one do not understand what issue you and others have with the default theme.
                  Well, I love KDE, although I currently use GNOME and have done some design work on GNOME. But I'm certainly excited to find an excuse to try KDE again. I think the reason people don't like the current default Plasma theme may have something to do with the fact that Oxygen isn't consistent with the simplified style. Of course, it's not exactly 'flat' design, but it's not as 'shiny' as the previous themes, or like the Oxygen Plasma theme. So I think it's just a general desire for completeness and polish, which has become much more common lately in GNOME, elementary, and even Xfce. I mean, just compare Xfce's Settings dialog with KDE's and you'll see what I mean.

                  I love KDE and Qt, but the truth is that it simply needs a lot of work to get up to scratch. I am well aware of why this is difficult and time-consuming, but it's no less true. Aside from Oxygen itself, many applications have misalignments, much less (or more) padding than is needed, and having icons in buttons is just not the right default in its current form. Regardless of the features provided by the workspace, the applications you interact with consume most of your time, so it's important to make that a comfortable experience.

                  I have always feared that, despite having some great artists like Nuno, KDE would devolve into a desktop obsessed with features over basic aesthetics. But with the Visual Design Group getting things started with a focus on preserving what makes KDE great, I have hope. I've always thought that KDE had the right 'idea', but had a few glaring rough edges. With any luck, it will be a great example of form and function in free software this year. But for now, it certainly has a ways to go.
                  Last edited by scionicspectre; 02-21-2014, 10:11 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Daktyl198 View Post

                    Keeping your theme the same for 20 years (or whatever) "just because" isn't okay...
                    You obviously haven't dealt with any of the fruit company's products lately....


                    On a more serious note, I agree the default theme is nothing exciting. So what? As long as the UI is released with a few screenshots showing off customization options, what does it matter? Besides, it really is very difficult to satisfy everyone. Especially when some people, like myself, prefer dark themed desktops because they are easier on my eyes. Other people prefer the classic white/light colored background ("daywalkers". Yuck.) Icons are fairly customizable too.

                    So why waste time trying to find something that is going to please more people, even though in reality it will probably end up pissing off existing users (who use other themes anyway)?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Luke_Wolf View Post
                      Guess what? If you don't the default theme in KDE you can completely change it, and it's easy they even provide a downloader that will install them for you. As well no matter what it looks like, somebody is going to complain about it, because everyone has different tastes, and I for one do not understand what issue you and others have with the default theme.
                      It's not only the ugly theme, it's the interface itself wich is bad designed and looks clutered. You can see in those screenshots that there're too many buttons. The artwork has also quite bad taste.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Saverios View Post
                        You obviously haven't dealt with any of the fruit company's products lately....


                        On a more serious note, I agree the default theme is nothing exciting. So what? As long as the UI is released with a few screenshots showing off customization options, what does it matter? Besides, it really is very difficult to satisfy everyone. Especially when some people, like myself, prefer dark themed desktops because they are easier on my eyes. Other people prefer the classic white/light colored background ("daywalkers". Yuck.) Icons are fairly customizable too.

                        So why waste time trying to find something that is going to please more people, even though in reality it will probably end up pissing off existing users (who use other themes anyway)?
                        Hah, well it certainly wouldn't hurt to TRY. You don't have to kill the theme and make a new one to make improvements. Also, as I've previously mentioned, I don't think a little consistency across the visuals would piss anyone off. I agree that customization is one of KDE's strengths, but it shouldn't be an excuse to ignore lackluster defaults.

                        In general, it's quite interesting to observe the psychological landscape that produces these kinds of excuses within free software projects. I'd be very interested in finding out how to overcome this kind of stagnation without alienating users.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by litfan View Post
                          I'll believe that when I see it. For nearly a decade the KDE people have been woefully ignorant of aesthetics. It's like the whole team is colorblind and autistic. I love that they haven't gone full retard like GNOME and Ubuntu have but my god does KDE need a crap ton of work in the design department.
                          Why don't you make a KDE theme and try to get it submitted as the default theme?
                          Last edited by tarceri; 02-23-2014, 03:12 AM. Reason: remove quote of deleted post

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by FourDMusic View Post
                            Simply uncalled for.
                            Yes, one more troll kiddie to add to the ignore list. Oh well.

                            Michael, would it be possible to add an "ignore" button close to each user? The process is a bit convoluted, and the growing popularity of Phoronix is bringing trolls more often than in the past. Thank you!

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                            • #15
                              By the way, I don't see the reason to keep users who are obviously bored and looking to disrupt the forum (just click on her/his name and search for all her/his posts)

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