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  • #16
    I kind of like it. I prefer things to be compiled to binary if possible. However, I fail to understand from the article what was wrong with OpenJDK to quit using it by default. As said by actual Java users, that shouldn't be a decision to make lightly.
    OTOH, maybe it will give motivation for more maintenance on GCJ, maybe even get it to build Tomcat.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Fraaargh View Post
      That said, discarding OpenJDL from main Ubuntu is a strange move as I imagine the cumber of developpers using it every day is quite high...
      Technically what is the problem ? Does Ubuntu has many specific patches to apply to OpenJDK ? What justifies it ? Seems strange to me...
      I find it odd as well. That's not the first time I hear of Ubuntu-specific Java issues, too. For instance: http://androidonlinux.wordpress.com/...-adb-on-linux/ It says that there are no problems with that on Mint, and I also verified that there are no such problems on openSUSE either... So it makes me wonder what Ubuntu is doing with OpenJDK...

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      • #18
        Originally posted by ChrisXY View Post
        But it's interesting how you actually make an effort to replace free and open source software with partly proprietary one without even a quick check whether it's even beneficial in any way.
        I also got that warning and tried both Oracle and OpenJDK, but couldn't find any graphical errors with OpenJDK. The performance (mainly start up time though) was also equally bad with either so in the end I kept OpenJDK.

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        • #19
          Ubuntu maintainers are incompetent, so that they find maintaining OpenJDK difficult is no shock to me... They do not maintain many things anyway... Outside a few core apps and libs, all other packages are heavily outdated most of the time...

          But i wouldn't worry about it. Developers and other professionals never use Ubuntu to begin with...

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Sonadow View Post
            Might as well drop OpenJDK completely and direct users to the official Oracle implementation of Java since it has better performance.

            OpenJDK is always the first package to be uninstalled in any distribution I use, being replaced with Oracle JDK
            That certainly used to be the case, back in the days of Java 6, where OpenJDK was effectively a fork of the open-sourced parts of Java, and didn't work particularly well. But under Java 7, there's no practical difference... the official Oracle releases are based on OpenJDK...

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            • #21
              Originally posted by TemplarGR View Post
              Ubuntu maintainers are incompetent, so that they find maintaining OpenJDK difficult is no shock to me... They do not maintain many things anyway... Outside a few core apps and libs, all other packages are heavily outdated most of the time...

              But i wouldn't worry about it. Developers and other professionals never use Ubuntu to begin with...

              I'm a developer and I use Ubuntu.
              How does it feel to be proved wrong?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Sonadow View Post
                First of all, I stated earlier that I have removed OpenJDK from my installation and replaced them with Oracle JDK. That error message is not mine; i retrieved it online from Stackoverflow to prove a point.
                As others have pointed out, this is not the case anymore. OpenJDK is now the reference implementation. I am also running IntelliJ IDEA 13 CU with OpenJDK 1.7 (and used to run version 12). No problems whatsoever. HotSpot is now bundled in OpenJDK, so there shouldn't be any performance differences on x86 (ARM is another matter, though).

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by intellivision View Post
                  I'm a developer and I use Ubuntu.
                  How does it feel to be proved wrong?
                  Oh don't worry. TemplarGR is an Ubuntu hater troll.

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                  • #24
                    There is one very serious difference between OpenJDK and OracleJava. OpenJDK gets security patches a hell lot faster than Oracle, which with all the java exploits on the net it's really important. So OpenJDK wins, I even wish that there was a version of OpenJDK for windoze so I could tell all the windows users I know to use that instead of the faulty OracleJava.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Cyber Killer View Post
                      There is one very serious difference between OpenJDK and OracleJava. OpenJDK gets security patches a hell lot faster than Oracle, which with all the java exploits on the net it's really important. So OpenJDK wins, I even wish that there was a version of OpenJDK for windoze so I could tell all the windows users I know to use that instead of the faulty OracleJava.
                      There are unofficial ports for Windows but since OpenJDK project doesn't promote any Windows port, they don't get much attention. Same for OSX. Another difference is that if you compile bytecode on OpenJDK and try to run it with Oracle JRE, you might run into glitches. This may happen with client-server architectures if the server is Linux with OpenJDK and client is Windows with Oracle JRE.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by intellivision View Post
                        I'm a developer and I use Ubuntu.
                        How does it feel to be proved wrong?
                        Be a man, use ArchLinux...

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