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  • #76
    Originally posted by Thaodan View Post
    KDE Problem is that UX needs some basic guide lines for this especially the systemsettings part.
    IIRC system settings are getting a revamp on KF5. But even now, you can choose to use the tree view instead of the icon view, which makes it more organised in my opinion.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
      IIRC system settings are getting a revamp on KF5. But even now, you can choose to use the tree view instead of the icon view, which makes it more organised in my opinion.
      Yes, some last 4.x release made it much worse before it was "ok", 4.9 or 4.8 or something alike was it as I think.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by kigurai View Post
        No. I am just saying that "copying iOS/Android" is not necessarily a bad thing.
        That would depend greatly on what *elements* you're copying.
        Android has THREE different UI's, that are selected between based on the physical dimensions of the screen itself. 3rd party applications have EVEN MORE flexibility to adjust their UI's to varying screen sizes and ratios.

        Further, Android is adapted specifically to touch screen interfaces that DO NOT have a keyboard or mouse. The usage patterns are entirely different than for a device with a 24 inch display, a keyboard, and a *high precision* pointing device. Remember that a "touch" is like a BLOB appearing on the screen. A mouse is a MUCH more high-precision pointing device.

        So take the Android "phone" UI, it is designed to be operated by your thumb while being held in ONE HAND. Few and large contact areas in order to be able to accurately select between them, as well as motion gestures and layered menus. You can move your thumb around a 4-5 inch display quickly and easily, even if you need to select subsequent buttons from opposite corners. On a large non-touch screen with a mouse? Not so easy, you need to scroll all around the screen repeatedly, so it makes sense to reduce the number of layers in the menu and keep a lot of options tight in to the entry point, that way your make one major motion to get the entry point, then a small PRECISION motion to get to the menu option. You don't want to be jumping back and forth across the screen to get ahold of layered menus with everything spread out.

        I tried to adapt to gnome 3.x through the use of plugins, but nautilus was the last straw -- it is very thoroughly crippled. Although it is possible to still switch the location bar into TEXT mode, there is no button available to step up into the parent directory. Contrary to assertions made by others, it is NOT possible to swap out nautilus for something else, because nautilus is responsible for drawing the DESKTOP.

        As far as gedit goes, I couldn't care less. Its always been a crippled toy, gvim is a good text editor.

        Also, MATE, being a fork of gnome-2, is a good replacement for gnome-3, for those who need a UI that is actually *productive*.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
          That would depend greatly on what *elements* you're copying.
          Android has THREE different UI's, that are selected between based on the physical dimensions of the screen itself. 3rd party applications have EVEN MORE flexibility to adjust their UI's to varying screen sizes and ratios.

          Further, Android is adapted specifically to touch screen interfaces that DO NOT have a keyboard or mouse. The usage patterns are entirely different than for a device with a 24 inch display, a keyboard, and a *high precision* pointing device. Remember that a "touch" is like a BLOB appearing on the screen. A mouse is a MUCH more high-precision pointing device.

          So take the Android "phone" UI, it is designed to be operated by your thumb while being held in ONE HAND. Few and large contact areas in order to be able to accurately select between them, as well as motion gestures and layered menus. You can move your thumb around a 4-5 inch display quickly and easily, even if you need to select subsequent buttons from opposite corners. On a large non-touch screen with a mouse? Not so easy, you need to scroll all around the screen repeatedly, so it makes sense to reduce the number of layers in the menu and keep a lot of options tight in to the entry point, that way your make one major motion to get the entry point, then a small PRECISION motion to get to the menu option. You don't want to be jumping back and forth across the screen to get ahold of layered menus with everything spread out.
          I just stated that "copying Android/iOS" is not inherently a bad thing. I was not saying we should copy everything, or even large parts of it.

          I tried to adapt to gnome 3.x through the use of plugins, but nautilus was the last straw -- it is very thoroughly crippled. Although it is possible to still switch the location bar into TEXT mode, there is no button available to step up into the parent directory. Contrary to assertions made by others, it is NOT possible to swap out nautilus for something else, because nautilus is responsible for drawing the DESKTOP.
          If I remember correctly, Nautilus is no longer drawing the desktop, unless you enable that yourself via tweak tools. But you'd have to get that verified elsewhere.
          I know people complain about nautilus. I have not noticed anything, and think it works fine. Not saying that your problems are not real, only that they might not be universal

          Also, MATE, being a fork of gnome-2, is a good replacement for gnome-3, for those who need a UI that is actually *productive*.
          Except of course that this is your subjective opinion. Lots of people obviously use G3, and are being quite productive. Seen this argument prop up over the last two years, and it feels just as elitist now as it did back then.

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          • #80
            I still wonder why some people are switching away from GNOME Shell which they claim to like but switch because they don't like Nautilus's new feature set. There's nothing preventing you guys to install a different file manager, you know? Nautilus doesn't draw the desktop anymore since 3.10 and you can easily set a different fm as default...

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            • #81
              Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
              I tried to adapt to gnome 3.x through the use of plugins, but nautilus was the last straw -- it is very thoroughly crippled. Although it is possible to still switch the location bar into TEXT mode, there is no button available to step up into the parent directory.
              alt+up arrow and alt+down arrow goes up and down and alt+left arrow and alt+right arrow goes forward and backward in the filsystem

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Akka View Post
                alt+up arrow and alt+down arrow goes up and down and alt+left arrow and alt+right arrow goes forward and backward in the filsystem
                You can also click on the parent directory in the location bar. So I don't understand what the fuss is about.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by kigurai View Post
                  If I remember correctly, Nautilus is no longer drawing the desktop, unless you enable that yourself via tweak tools. But you'd have to get that verified elsewhere.
                  I know people complain about nautilus. I have not noticed anything, and think it works fine. Not saying that your problems are not real, only that they might not be universal
                  Tweak tool is needed to enable drawing on the desktop. I do not know what kind of functionality some users wanted like extra panel for example which I personally did not miss.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by wander View Post
                    I didn't follow the discussions on lwn.net and as for myself I don't miss anything in particular that has been removed, so what features do you mean?
                    The best example was inability to change fonts easily. You had to use text editor or some third party tool.

                    Which menu?
                    You had to hold Alt to show shutdown menu. Maybe they changed this, but I didn't use gnome since few months. However, the main problem with gnome is they don't have clear vision how it should look and behave. You're never sure what "brilliant" idea developers will introduce. They have some HIG, but it's seems it's not backed by any serious studies. It has flaws that everyone can easily point out. For example they're forcing you to use keyboard, otherwise simple task will demand more mouse clicks - in comparison to other DEs - or some others like "shutdown" won't be available at all. It's a bad design. Those are hard arguments unlike "KDE is cluttered" which was an only Kostas' argument. And he called me troll. :>
                    Last edited by Pawlerson; 01-15-2014, 02:10 PM.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Pawlerson View Post
                      You had to hold Alt to show shutdown menu. Maybe they changed this, but I didn't use gnome since few months. However, the main problem with gnome is they don't have clear vision how it should look and behave. You're never sure what "brilliant" idea developers will introduce. They have some HIG, but it's seems it's not backed by any serious studies. It has flaws that everyone can easily point out. For example they're forcing you to use keyboard, otherwise simple task will demand more mouse clicks - in comparison to other DEs - or some others like "shutdown" won't be available at all. It's a bad design.
                      AFAIK there is no action in GNOME 3.10 that requires keyboard, except possibly "suspend", but that does not really matter since laptops will suspend on lid close, and workstations usually suspend if you click the power button.

                      As for visions, I disagree. Even though the details might be unknown (as they usually are) I think the vision for GNOME is quite clear. Besides, what visions and studies drive the other desktop environments?

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Pawlerson View Post
                        The best example was inability to change fonts easily. You had to use text editor or some third party tool.
                        You had to hold Alt to show shutdown menu
                        Well, no. You can use GNOME Tweak Tool which is developed by GNOME developers as is hosted in gnome.org and released along with new GNOME versions.

                        https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Apps/GnomeTweakTool

                        No, you don't need use to alt either for the shutdown option (there is no separate menu for shutdown).

                        http://afaikblog.files.wordpress.com...8/new-menu.png

                        Bottom right icon. There are current issues that needs to be dealt with but you are not pointing out any of them.

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                        • #87
                          Normally the people who get the least work done are the ones who brag how productive their WM/DE is.

                          Personal observation.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Pawlerson View Post
                            Those are hard arguments unlike "KDE is cluttered" which was an only Kostas' argument. And he called me troll. :>
                            Please, Pawlerson. I've seen enough posts of yours to know this account is only slightly above the likes of Funkstar and BOSS.

                            FWIW I was commenting on the screenshot, which did as far as I'm concerned look terrible.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Kostas View Post
                              Please, Pawlerson. I've seen enough posts of yours to know this account is only slightly above the likes of Funkstar and BOSS.

                              FWIW I was commenting on the screenshot, which did as far as I'm concerned look terrible.
                              When comes to comments about bsd I agree. It's because I can't take something like that seriously.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by droidhacker View Post

                                I tried to adapt to gnome 3.x through the use of plugins, but nautilus was the last straw -- it is very thoroughly crippled. Although it is possible to still switch the location bar into TEXT mode, there is no button available to step up into the parent directory.
                                Well, from this comment alone i can tell that you have not really tried to use GNOME 3.x ... You are just trolling...

                                Tell me, what do you need an "up" button for? Nautilus keeps your current path as buttons at the top, you can press any directory and go back to it.

                                Nautilus opens showing home directory by default. If you need to browse your filesystem, it is faster to press the link to / from the left, than any "up" button.

                                For the rare occassion that you want to browse other home directories, then selecting the filesystem->home->directory will require one more click. Big deal. If that matters a lot to you, make a shortcut of it at the left of nautilus...

                                All in all, the "up" button is NOT REQUIRED, it is actually CLUTTER, and an ancient relic from the days of Windows...

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