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    Phoronix: Enlightenment 0.18 Released With Many New Features

    Enlightenment 0.17 was released one year ago as of this weekend and now the developers behind this very compelling lightweight window manager have released Enlightenment DR 0.18, the next major release...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTU1MDY

  • #2
    Originally posted by phoronix View Post
    Phoronix: Enlightenment 0.18 Released With Many New Features

    Enlightenment 0.17 was released one year ago as of this weekend and now the developers behind this very compelling lightweight window manager have released Enlightenment DR 0.18, the next major release...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTU1MDY
    Filemanager was indeed horrible. Don't really like the merge of compositing, but I think/hope that can be disabled at runtime.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by phoronix View Post
      Phoronix: Enlightenment 0.18 Released With Many New Features
      ..bluez4 BLuetooth module...
      http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTU1MDY
      just then all distros started to adopt bluez 5.x which was developed exactly for a year :/

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Rexilion View Post
        Don't really like the merge of compositing
        Good that nobody cares about you. Compositing offers only benefits and no disadvantages.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Rexilion View Post
          Don't really like the merge of compositing, but I think/hope that can be disabled at runtime.
          Compositing's mandatory under Wayland, so they're prob just making that the 'go-to-standard' and be done with it. Really the cost of compositing is minimal, since you can just disable all the effects and still get double buffered rendering

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          • #6
            How come there's no screenshot or any sort of images in their announcement?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
              Good that nobody cares about you. Compositing offers only benefits and no disadvantages.
              under wayland yes
              but under X11 it is, performance wise, BAD

              so dont talk shit...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by gens View Post
                under wayland yes
                but under X11 it is, performance wise, BAD

                so dont talk shit...
                E19's compositor will be wayland only (iow, it'll run without X, dunno whether or not it'll still work under X11), so you won't have to worry about that for too long.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
                  Good that nobody cares about you. Compositing offers only benefits and no disadvantages.
                  Extra memory consumption is a disadvantage. Does the benefits greatly out weight such a disadvantage in most cases? Yes. Is it non existent? Not at all.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Nobu View Post
                    E19's compositor will be wayland only (iow, it'll run without X, dunno whether or not it'll still work under X11), so you won't have to worry about that for too long.
                    id like to have wayland even thou i dont care much for fancy effects

                    compositing under X is good too, just not usually performance wise
                    will try e18, maybe il like it more then 17

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                    • #11
                      Yes, come to me!

                      Just waiting gentoo's ebuild coming :-)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by gens View Post
                        under wayland yes
                        but under X11 it is, performance wise, BAD

                        so dont talk shit...
                        Your lies don't become true just because you sprinkle them with nasty words.
                        Compositing does, in fact, improve performance.

                        Several clueless people confuse compositing with graphical effects. Compositing is a prerequisite for semi-transparent windows with a blur effect and those effects can be taxing on the hardware (esp. with buggy drivers) but effectless compositing on its own should improve rendering in every real-world scenario.
                        Compositing on its own is also not tied to hardware-accelerated OpenGL. KWin 5's QPainter-based compositor is an example of a software compositor running smoother than a non-composited environment.

                        If compositing is OpenGL-accelerated, the CPU's resources are freed.


                        Originally posted by mrugiero View Post
                        Extra memory consumption is a disadvantage. Does the benefits greatly out weight such a disadvantage in most cases? Yes. Is it non existent? Not at all.
                        It's not a legitimate argument because it only applies to fictional hardware. Even old computers have more than enough video memory to handle a few windows. I type this on a notebook from over 6 years ago that wasn't even remotely high end when it came out and compositing is beneficial here.
                        Hardware that would be challenged by compositing has other factors that prevent modern DEs from running in the first place: Too small hard drives, unsupported CPU extensions, Linux distributions are not shipped on floppies any more, etc.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
                          It's not a legitimate argument because it only applies to fictional hardware. Even old computers have more than enough video memory to handle a few windows. I type this on a notebook from over 6 years ago that wasn't even remotely high end when it came out and compositing is beneficial here.
                          Hardware that would be challenged by compositing has other factors that prevent modern DEs from running in the first place: Too small hard drives, unsupported CPU extensions, Linux distributions are not shipped on floppies any more, etc.
                          It's not legitimate in almost any case to discard the technology, but it is still part of the trade off. I already stated the benefits out weight this cost.
                          Also, six years is by far not the oldest computers I can see running nowadays.

                          Also, for all of the factors you list, there are workarounds for hardware that wouldn't work great with compositing. My first computer, an Intel 486DX2, had a CD-ROM reader, for example. The minimal HD space required for Xubuntu to install is 4.7GB. My computer had 2GB, so I guess 4.7GB was around what was supported in that time. For extensions, one can make a custom build. But this computer had 32MB of RAM (and at the time that was a hell of a big amount of RAM).
                          Not that I'm crazy enough to try to run any modern software on it (aside from the fact it was stolen in 2005), but the thing is compositing can be a show stopper in some (really, really unlikely) scenarios. In real life, though, even a Raspberry Pi seems to have no problem with compositing.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by mrugiero View Post
                            In real life, though, even a Raspberry Pi seems to have no problem with compositing.
                            This is an important part to put things in perspective. Let's call a $35 Rasberry Pi that absolute WORST baseline for technology going forward...

                            Under Wayland, that $35 ARM board can output accelerated 1080p video at 24+ FPS under a composited desktop with active transparency effects.

                            With that in mind, sorry if I don't feel bad that your pentium 4 with the crappiest integrated graphics Intel ever put out, that are reverse-engineered and so spotty that its borderline useless, doesn't work so well going forward.

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                            • #15
                              what software runs on this toolkit

                              compositing or not, what interests me the most at the moment is what software runs on this toolkit ?
                              I can swallow a video card upgrade if necessary, but from what I can tell there isn't any software for this platform other than terminology (a fancy terminal emulator) ?

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