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  • #16
    Originally posted by monohouse View Post
    compositing or not, what interests me the most at the moment is what software runs on this toolkit ?
    I can swallow a video card upgrade if necessary, but from what I can tell there isn't any software for this platform other than terminology (a fancy terminal emulator) ?
    Enlightenment is not the toolkit, is the DE. And you can run whatever software, using whatever toolkit. The only difference is that the desktop will not share the libs, leading to a slight increase in memory use. But again, if compositing is not a problem, an extra library in use is probably not a problem either.
    On the video card upgrade, what for? Compositing should work in almost any card from 2006 and later, probably some older ones too.

    What I wonder is if it bypasses composition for fullscreen applications.

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    • #17
      I mean what applications does the DE provide, surely a DE is not empty, there must be some applications with it, and it looks like their website indicates that there is a toolkit, the EFL/Elementary ? my question was whether there are applications for these toolkit.

      yhe memory is sure not a problem, I have 4 GB on that system and 90% of it are used for cache, but video card may be necessary because I am using S3 Virge DX and im almost certain that wayland doesn't support it (that's not a problem, I will have to X for the time being, I will also have to build new drivers and wayland for the new video card anyway), what I am saying is that I am trying to determine if the applications that are provided by the DE and toolkit of this platform are something worth turning the entire system upside down

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      • #18
        Originally posted by monohouse View Post
        I mean what applications does the DE provide, surely a DE is not empty, there must be some applications with it, and it looks like their website indicates that there is a toolkit, the EFL/Elementary ? my question was whether there are applications for these toolkit.
        I'm not a user, so I can't give you a proper answer to that question. I assumed you meant the EFL, that's why I commented on Enlightenment not being the toolkit.

        yhe memory is sure not a problem, I have 4 GB on that system and 90% of it are used for cache, but video card may be necessary because I am using S3 Virge DX and im almost certain that wayland doesn't support it (that's not a problem, I will have to X for the time being, I will also have to build new drivers and wayland for the new video card anyway), what I am saying is that I am trying to determine if the applications that are provided by the DE and toolkit of this platform are something worth turning the entire system upside down
        Personally, I'm always more to the "stick to what works for you" opinion. If your system currently fits your needs, there's no reason to switch. Anyway, as I already said, I don't know how many or which applications target EFL.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by monohouse View Post
          I mean what applications does the DE provide, surely a DE is not empty, there must be some applications with it, and it looks like their website indicates that there is a toolkit, the EFL/Elementary ? my question was whether there are applications for these toolkit.
          There aren't many. Or at least there isn't something to write home about. Except terminology. It's not a popular toolkit.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
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            why so much insults
            i do know what compositing means...
            whats your problem ?

            anyway i have said that from past experience with compositing
            last time i tested (yes tested, not theorized) compositing was really heavy on X and on the compositor program itself
            now since that was a relatively long time ago i went to test again today

            the rather scientific and highly complex test was to open 2 terminals
            first one was running htop while the 2nd one was moved in an ellipse (im no michelangelo to be able to draw perfect circles)

            e17 w/o compositing had rather low cpu usage
            fluxbox even lower
            e18 with no GL used many plenty resources
            e18 with GL used about as fluxbox did, maybe a shade less, but the window movement was slightly delayed after the mouse cursor
            (not tested now but i remember e17 with compositing to be rather heavy also, but that could be my memory going up in smoke)

            all compositing tests were without any effects, what only really helps e18 with no GL
            also the cpu was on the performance governor so the percentages are what it says

            i didn't think to check gpu memory usage
            but guess the driver would free some memory for full screen aps (maybe putting it to ram ?)
            RAM usage went up and is now, with e18 GL, siting at 138MB for just enlightenment with a rather full desktop (more then twice as much it used to be)
            X usually caches a lot of data so its not clear (its at 100 now)

            so you were right, even thou not all the way
            no need to insult random people on the internet for it


            now that it's installed i'l stick with e18
            mostly 'cuz i grown rather fond of the blend desktop flipping animation

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            • #21
              Originally posted by gens View Post
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              why so much insults
              i do know what compositing means...
              whats your problem ?
              First, I want to point out I liked your scientific attitude towards the argument.
              Secondly, I haven't seen any insults. It is true that there are several people clueless on how compositing works, and that those people tend to think compositing == pretty effects. That's the closest I saw to an insult, and it's not really that close to one.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by mrugiero View Post
                Enlightenment is not the toolkit, is the DE. And you can run whatever software, using whatever toolkit. The only difference is that the desktop will not share the libs, leading to a slight increase in memory use. But again, if compositing is not a problem, an extra library in use is probably not a problem either.
                On the video card upgrade, what for? Compositing should work in almost any card from 2006 and later, probably some older ones too.

                What I wonder is if it bypasses composition for fullscreen applications.
                of course it does. google for benchmarks on performance and compositing that involve enlightenment (e17, etc.). there is EXPLICITLY an option to turn this on or off in the compositor settings (and is on by default).

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