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  • #16
    Originally posted by mrugiero View Post
    It is open source.
    I don't know. It really needs to be said at least three times to be sure.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by jwilliams View Post
      I don't know. It really needs to be said at least three times to be sure.
      There's a github page with the code, and I'm subscribed to the development mailing list (even though I don't develop, I thought it would be interesting) since a week ago.

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      • #18
        I'm trying the plugin on github on an Android tablet but it looks like the porn tubes already have HTML5 video fallback. I tried some sports streaming sites which tend to have shitty flash players and none of them work.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by mrugiero View Post
          There's a github page with the code, and I'm subscribed to the development mailing list (even though I don't develop, I thought it would be interesting) since a week ago.
          I'm still not convinced. The first sentence of the phoronix article really has to repeat "open-source" at least three times to be completely persuasive.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Etzos View Post
            Actually, there was a reason to use it: Since it is written in Javascript, it runs only in the Javascript sandbox. It's not a huge deal, but that helps to limit the possible exploit vectors of a PDF.
            In my book, that's a very good reason NOT to use it.
            Tried with Iceweasel 17...
            I seem to remember that 1, it didn't work with NoScript on, and 2, it was so slow loading that I was trying to leave the page, having concluded it wouldn't load, before it started to show any content.
            So I promptry set the PDF reader back to Xpdf (somehow it had ignored the old settings...)

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            • #21
              Originally posted by phoronix View Post
              Mozilla has pushed their open-source "Shumway" open-source Flash/SWF player
              Is it Open Source? With a dash, even?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Ibidem View Post
                In my book, that's a very good reason NOT to use it.
                Tried with Iceweasel 17...
                I seem to remember that 1, it didn't work with NoScript on
                NO! Say it ain't so! A javascript implementation of flash did not work without javascript.

                So in the end you came to say that it doesn't work for your pc yet.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                  Yes, porn is the only thing that is keeping Flash alive.
                  No as most porn sites have HTML5 now for Mobile... AD's is whats keeping flash alive

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Chaz View Post
                    Well when they came out with their Javascript PDF reader it mostly worked, but not as well as standalone readers already available, and there was no reason whatsoever to use it. And Mozilla themselves would post messages saying, "this document may not have rendered correctly (even when it did), you should probably use a different PDF reader!" No kidding guys, so why have you changed my settings to use this one? I expect Shumway to be similar. At least there is a decent reason to create it, given the problems with Flash and Adobe's dropping support.

                    By the way, is the Firefox PDF reader good yet? Is there any reason at all to use it?
                    The built-in pdf reader (pdf.js) is pretty darn good, actually. I've never had a problem in the latest iterations rendering math-symbol-heavy documents. (Maybe graphics-heavy documents are another story?) A lot of people don't want to even install acroread on their systems so the only option to get inline pdf viewing in Firefox is via pdf.js. (Well there *were* other options of embedding e.g. Okular in Firefox but I don't know if they still exist and they're nasty anyway.) It is a bit resource-heavy, for sure, but still worth using if you have a modern-ish PC where you won't notice it.

                    I imagine Shumway will never really be usable compared to the outdated linux flash plugin provided by Adobe. That's ok though, because hopefully by the time Shumway catches up, we won't even need flash players!

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                    • #25
                      I hope this never reaches official release status. Flash MUST die and all the plugins with it.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by molecule-eye View Post
                        Well there *were* other options of embedding e.g. Okular in Firefox but I don't know if they still exist and they're nasty anyway.
                        The Okular plugin hasn't gone anywhere and IMO is still much better then pdf.js, especially for large files (tens/hundreds of pages or with images). It renders new pages significantly faster, and seems to be better at caching them if I want to go back to a page I already looked at.

                        While pdf.js has got a lot better since I first tried it (I still try it once in a while to see how it's doing) it still can't beat a proper document viewer written in a sensible language.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by LinuxGamer View Post
                          No as most porn sites have HTML5 now for Mobile... AD's is whats keeping flash alive
                          People want porn.
                          People do not want ads.

                          Reason people install Flash is to watch porn, not to watch ads.

                          So porn is the only thing that is keeping Flash alive.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                            People want porn.
                            People do not want ads.

                            Reason people install Flash is to watch porn, not to watch ads.

                            So porn is the only thing that is keeping Flash alive.
                            A lot of sites use HTML 5 so Flash is no longer needed for porn Ipads Ipods Iphones all use html 5 only but google lied about making youtube HTML 5 only or just got really lazy on it or its just about the ad's who knows

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                              People want porn.
                              People do not want ads.

                              Reason people install Flash is to watch porn, not to watch ads.

                              So porn is the only thing that is keeping Flash alive.
                              So Youtube has HTML5 on mobile and optional HTML5 mode also on PC, correct?

                              While the porn sites have HTML5 on mobile but only Flash on PC?

                              Why can't they enable it also on PC? This way Flash will be no longer needed...

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by oibaf View Post
                                Why can't they enable it also on PC? This way Flash will be no longer needed...
                                I guess because they have flash ads.
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