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  • GNOME "Flashback" Released, GNOME Panel 3.8

    Phoronix: GNOME "Flashback" Released, GNOME Panel 3.8

    This week prior to the GNOME 3.10 release also marked the release of GNOME-Panel 3.8 and GNOME-Flashback-Session 3.8. The "GNOME Flashback" project is about revitalizing the GNOME 3 "fallback" session experience found in earlier 3.x releases for cases where no 3D hardware acceleration was available...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTQ3MjM

  • #2
    This is awesome!
    I am very glad that there is this GNOME Flashback project!

    However, there are some issues under Ubuntu 13.04.
    When running with Metacity it works.
    But when running it with Compiz there is an issue, it doesn't work, instead if starts Unity.

    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...l/+bug/1232299
    Last edited by uid313; 09-28-2013, 09:36 PM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by uid313 View Post
      When running with Metacity it works.
      But when running it with Compiz there is an issue, it doesn't work, instead if starts Unity.

      https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...l/+bug/1232299
      That doesn't sound as a bug in gnome-panel, but rather in compiz, IMO.

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      • #4
        So, I know this is going to sound a little ignorant to the developers, since they may not be doing this for practical reasons so much as this being what they're used to, but why not put the work into Xfce instead? Surely improving Xfce's applets would be more practical and easy to maintain in the future. Not to mention that GNOME integration isn't really a good reason, either, seeing how much the functionality has diverged and morphed into something else.

        If there is a plausible reason, I applaud the effort. But if this is anything more than a weekend project, I'd like to know those reasons. I think the Xfce developers are doing an amazing job of building that sort of desktop, one that's focused on being pragmatic, flexible, and supporting traditional workflows. Far be it from me to tell people what to work on, but I would like to know their end goal.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by uid313 View Post
          This is awesome!
          I am very glad that there is this GNOME Flashback project!
          Considering that new Gnome applications no longer support minimizing into a panel, this project is a waste of time.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
            What makes you say Xfce isn't being developed any more?

            So what is the difference between gnome classic and gnome flashback?
            Old gnome-session-fallback, also called gnome classic, was just a port of gnome-panel from the one in GNOME 2.32 from GTK 2 to GTK 3. Also ported gnome-panel from gconf to dconf (gsettings).

            gnome-session-flashback now builds upon more of the technology from gnome-shell. Such as its indicators, and menus, and stuff. It also has a button that takes you to the dash or whatever its called.

            Then there is also a gnome classic session that is GNOME 3 with gnome-shell, but with some extensions that modify its behavior to more reminiscent of the old GNOME 2 behavior. But the look-and-feel is more of GNOME 3 and gnome-panel anyways since thats what it is built upon and extends.

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            • #7
              Ohh Look at that GNOME and MATE collaborating This is how Open Source Is Done!!!!! Also the MATE team said they was going to Drop all the bull shit forks as it did no good and just use Gnome Apps!!!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Honton View Post
                XFCE is not actively developed anymore.
                It is actively developed.

                XFCE does not have the Wayland competence Gnome does.
                True, it doesn't. They haven't even decided to go Wayland, yet.

                Developing an old fart panel is much easier within Gnome. Gnome-panel is tested and maintained in down stream products for the next many years. It is an easy chocie
                Developing an old fart panel is exactly as hard for GNOME as it is for XFCE, since they use the same GTK+3 libraries and both have a limited user base to test them (remember most GNOME users use GNOME-Shell).

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                • #9
                  Can these 2D/minimal DEs still be accelerated by GPUs if you have the hardware?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by LinuxGamer View Post
                    Ohh Look at that GNOME and MATE collaborating This is how Open Source Is Done!!!!! Also the MATE team said they was going to Drop all the bull shit forks as it did no good and just use Gnome Apps!!!
                    Flashback is not the same team as MATE. I asked the guy who released gnome-panel 3.8.0, they just want it to work for Debian. They do want to coorperate with MATE. Aside from this, is true that both this flashback and MATE (partly) use GNOME infrastructure, they're totally welcome to do so. I personally wish that GNOME is the most populair and development focus within GNOME is purely on GNOME, but sharing GNOME infrastructure with interested parties is easy. No issues with forks. Bit of the difference between being totally ok with them vs spending time on them. As long as it doesn't cost much time, then seems better to work together.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Honton View Post
                      If you want to get spmething done, don't wait for xfce.
                      You don't get anything done unless you get constant updates to your DE? Do you spend your time updating and admiring your software or do you actually do anything useful with it? Support for GTK+ 3 will come long before distros drop GTK+ 2, and that's pretty much all that matters.

                      Xfce has always had a comparably tiny development team, but that hasn't stopped it from being a very useful and usable DE for people who do get things done instead of spending their time trolling forums.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Honton View Post
                        I like xfce and used it for a while. I find it usable despite it is actively developed anymore. You really need to read more carefully. Xfce is just not a very good candidate if you want fast moving development involving GTK3/Wayland. That was my comment, not anything about xfce being useful or not.
                        Xfce is being actively developed even though it fails to entertain you with frequent releases. The panel's in pretty good shape, so the effort naturally goes mostly into other modules. Xfdesktop 4.11 (dev release) was announced just yesterday. But this thread's not about Xfce, sorry about going OT.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by tuubi View Post
                          Xfce is being actively developed even though it fails to entertain you with frequent releases. The panel's in pretty good shape, so the effort naturally goes mostly into other modules. Xfdesktop 4.11 (dev release) was announced just yesterday. But this thread's not about Xfce, sorry about going OT.
                          Don't bother with this one. His self esteem is so low that he constantly tries to heighten it with "I use the superior DE, therefore I am and therefore is is my duty to spew lies about all other DEs!" garbage.

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                          • #14
                            So xfce is dying because the panel is matured enough to not need permanent fixes?
                            Wake up, Honton, xfce consists of more than just a panel, and other parts really get frequent commits.
                            Furthermore your definition of "active" is not shared by the gnome devs:
                            https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704979
                            (I could say #121113 is a sign for GTK+ dying, but I won't...)

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                            • #15
                              And that is stupid, too. What benefit will XFCE-users have, if gnome-panel is the one that every dev should develop for?
                              xfce-panel is for xfce. it works, all is fine. There are many applets that get quite some commits. So what's the issue here?
                              gnome-panel is for gnome.

                              And you claimed in your first comment that XFCE is not actively maintained anymore. Now you are talking of xfce-panel, because you had to realise that xfce GET'S commits quite frequently in most components.
                              I also would like to know how you define "dying", because you always claim "kde is dying", but it has way more devs than xfce. Also way more commits. It is actively developed. Now you claim XFCE is not actively developed but not dying. Weird logic...

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