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    Phoronix: New KDE Plasma NM Sees Its First Release

    Plasma NM 0.9.3.0 is a new KDE Plasma applet for NetworkManager in managing network connections and is written in QML/C++. This new version replaces the older widget-based NetworkManagement applet for the KDE desktop...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTQ1ODg

  • #2
    Hmm this looks nice. I liked the old one just fine but this looks a little more efficient to use, and seems more responsive.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by phoronix View Post
      [b]Plasma NM 0.9.3.0 is a new KDE Plasma applet
      Dear KDE developers,

      for the umpteenth time: PLEASE STOP REPLACING BROKEN FEATURES WITH MORE BROKEN FEATURES. KDE 4 was released five years ago and the original NetworkManager applet is so broken that I always just disabled it and used the GNOME nm-applet instead. Instead of just fixing the old stuff now we have a reimplementation atop of bleeding-edge technology and it just looks even more horrible than the old applet.

      This is just another iteration of the same pattern: KDE Bluetooth support (kbluetooth) was broken for years, then they reimplemented it (KDEBluetooth), then that was broken, then they reimplemented it (bluedevil), and now we have three implementations, neither of which offers full functionality. For KDE 4.11 they reimplemented the Task Manager applet (I have NO idea why this was even necessary), and it was released a couple of days ago in a broken state: It would show the open windows, but if you clicked on an entry, the window manager would not switch to the selected window. I mean: who breaks an essential feature like the Task Manager and doesn't even check before releasing?

      The KDE bugzilla is overflowing with bugs, many things have been broken for years and all the developers seem to care about is creating new frameworks and porting things over to new frameworks with no visible benefit. I have stopped reporting bugs, I do not have the power to fix all those bugs myself, and yesterday I got so fed up that I took the time to ditch KDE for XFCE on all my machines.

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      • #4
        Wow, can't wait to try it.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by sturmflut View Post
          This is just another iteration of the same pattern: KDE Bluetooth support (kbluetooth) was broken for years, then they reimplemented it (KDEBluetooth), then that was broken, then they reimplemented it (bluedevil), and now we have three implementations, neither of which offers full functionality.
          While I do agree to some degree on what you're saying, the API break between Bluez 3 and Bluez 4 was mostly a rewrite, so it was easier to write a new stack from scratch.
          And I find myself comfortable with BlueDevil.

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          • #6
            I hope this don't applys to Bluez5

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            • #7
              Originally posted by sturmflut View Post
              Dear KDE developers,

              for the umpteenth time: PLEASE STOP REPLACING BROKEN FEATURES WITH MORE BROKEN FEATURES. KDE 4 was released five years ago and the original NetworkManager applet is so broken that I always just disabled it and used the GNOME nm-applet instead. Instead of just fixing the old stuff now we have a reimplementation atop of bleeding-edge technology and it just looks even more horrible than the old applet.

              This is just another iteration of the same pattern: KDE Bluetooth support (kbluetooth) was broken for years, then they reimplemented it (KDEBluetooth), then that was broken, then they reimplemented it (bluedevil), and now we have three implementations, neither of which offers full functionality. For KDE 4.11 they reimplemented the Task Manager applet (I have NO idea why this was even necessary), and it was released a couple of days ago in a broken state: It would show the open windows, but if you clicked on an entry, the window manager would not switch to the selected window. I mean: who breaks an essential feature like the Task Manager and doesn't even check before releasing?

              The KDE bugzilla is overflowing with bugs, many things have been broken for years and all the developers seem to care about is creating new frameworks and porting things over to new frameworks with no visible benefit. I have stopped reporting bugs, I do not have the power to fix all those bugs myself, and yesterday I got so fed up that I took the time to ditch KDE for XFCE on all my machines.
              KDE 4.11.1 Arch Linux here and the taskbar works perfectly fine and blutooth work really fine too with my phone and tablet, which distro you use? and kde version?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by sturmflut View Post
                For KDE 4.11 they reimplemented the Task Manager applet (I have NO idea why this was even necessary)
                Because its part of the push to QML / Qt5 / KF5? The entire thing is being ported over to QML for efficient usage of resources. It also had the added side effect of fixing one bug that no one could figure out related to overlapping items.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Honton View Post
                  KDE's bigger brother
                  KDE existed first. You're a really BAD fanboy when you can't even get history right

                  Originally posted by Honton View Post
                  Say thanks to Gnome just like you need to say thanks for doing Wayland first.
                  Gnome had a head start, but Martin's been doing more SERIOUS and more low level work in Kwin for YEARS, long before Gnome started to get serious about porting over. You can think him for being the testbed for porting from Xlib to XCB, as well as replacing X-dependent work with X-independent code in window managers.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Thaodan View Post
                    I hope this don't applys to Bluez5
                    Ignore him, he trolls-- a lot. Bluetooth is working just fine here on Fedora 19, Fedora 20 implements bluez5 (which ill be install the fedora 20 alpha test candidate tonight so ill report back on that)

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ericg View Post
                      Ignore him, he trolls-- a lot. Bluetooth is working just fine here on Fedora 19
                      It seems that in upstream bluez4 has been broken for a long time. Patches have been known since over a year. On Archlinux I still had to apply these patches https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/35695 to get tethering working. Only works when adding the profile with bluedevil to networkmanager and then connecting with the "current" kde networkmanager applet. The gnome control center bluetooth thing has a button to connect, but the button is disabled. On blueman I get a timeout when trying to connect.

                      Does nobody find it sad that on desktop linux bluetooth tethering has been broken for a few years now and nobody cares? No really, install a default ubuntu 12.04 LTS, get a standard android smartphone and try if you can even pair it. Last time I tried it both the default ubuntu bluetooth thingy and blueman failed...

                      Your best bet is really, on the command line, pairing with hcitool, then sudo pand -n --role PANU -persist 30 -c bluetooth-id; sudo ifconfig bnep0 up; sudo dhcpcd bnep0
                      Just in case someone needs it.

                      To the people who don't believe that the "current" kde networkmanager applet is broken: Add a bluetooth tethering connection to the networkmanger. Open the knetwormanager administration/settings. Notice the tab "mobile broadband". It has a nice button "add connection" where you can add a cdma or gsm connection. Now remove the tethering connection. Now the "mobile broadband" tab is disabled and you have no way of reaching the "add connection" button anymore and your only chance is to add the bluetooth tethering profile with bluedevil.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ChrisXY View Post
                        To the people who don't believe that the "current" kde networkmanager applet is broken: Add a bluetooth tethering connection to the networkmanger. Open the knetwormanager administration/settings. Notice the tab "mobile broadband". It has a nice button "add connection" where you can add a cdma or gsm connection. Now remove the tethering connection. Now the "mobile broadband" tab is disabled and you have no way of reaching the "add connection" button anymore and your only chance is to add the bluetooth tethering profile with bluedevil.
                        Sounds like a good bug report. I hope you filed it.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by sturmflut View Post
                          Dear KDE developers
                          This is not a KDE feedback forum.

                          Originally posted by sturmflut View Post
                          KDE 4 was released five years ago and the original NetworkManager applet is so broken that I always just disabled it and used the GNOME nm-applet instead.
                          This can't be true. The original release did not contain any NetworkManager applet at all.

                          Originally posted by sturmflut View Post
                          Instead of just fixing the old stuff now we have a reimplementation atop of bleeding-edge technology and it just looks even more horrible than the old applet.
                          It's just a new UI on top of the existing libraries.

                          Originally posted by sturmflut View Post
                          they reimplemented the Task Manager applet (I have NO idea why this was even necessary)
                          Non-QML UIs are deprecated in Qt5, that's why.

                          Originally posted by sturmflut View Post
                          yesterday I got so fed up that I took the time to ditch KDE for XFCE on all my machines.
                          What are you doing here then?
                          Be happy with your new DE and take some time to learn how Xfce is spelled.

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                          • #14
                            Plasma-NM is great. Installed it last night.
                            The Connection Editor is a bit unpolished (something to be expected in the first pre-1.0 release) but overall I find it better than the old applet.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Honton View Post
                              Martin makes a living from blogging, just like the 1000 teenagers.
                              Just how fucking clueless can you be? Martin works for Blue Systems as a full time developer working on KWin.

                              Originally posted by Honton View Post
                              A much much better UX.
                              So good in fact that it spawned two forks, one for Gnome 2 (Mate) and other for Gnome Shell (Cinnamon) and an additional Classic Mode because the default interface is not something you could put in an enterprise distribution... At the same time Ubuntu abandoned the Gnome as default shell. Spectacular job indeed. That being said, I have nothing against it, it's just not something I would ever use.

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