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  • #16
    I like the idea of them toying around with new functions - I would like to be able to bind them to a mouse4 or mouse5 though. Keep middle mouse the way it is. The right click button is application controlled, I'm guessing whatever they're planning on doing here will be universal for all applications so it's quite different than a right click.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by bwat47 View Post
      The most important "missing options" are available in gnome-tweak-tool (such as font settings). I agree font settings should be available somewhere in the normal preferences, but its silly how some people totally disregard the tweak tool because its not the "regular preferences" or such similar silly arguments.
      From what I've seen, the tweak tool is also somewhat limiting, and my point is many of the options that are in it are things that gnome should've had to begin with. Note that while I don't see anything functionally wrong with the tweak tool, from a system-wide point of view, it's disorganized. So you might have a dedicated program to change volume or screen resolution settings, but you need to break open tweak tool for other system related things, such as changing the font. This is just simply a very inelegant way of cramming in additional miscellaneous features that shouldn't be missing in the first place. They could've done it like XFCE, where you can download separate configuration tools but they can all be optionally attached to the same settings manager. Then, there could have been an "advanced mode" where you could reveal some of the more risky or complicated features. That way everybody wins and you don't have to rely on misfit tools.

      I didn't find it any harder to change themes and font settings in gnome 3 than I did in gnome 2, and it actually takes me longer to change font settings in KDE because it has *too many* font settings (I have to change the font for general, fixed width, small, toolbar, menu, window title, taskbar, desktop) and I have to change them all if I want a consistent font, and then I have to go in and change the clock widgets font because for some reason it doesn't follow the kcm's font settings. In gnome-tweak-tool there's just 4 font settings (general, document, mono, window) that I have to change, much quicker for me to change my font .
      I'd have to agree that KDE sometimes gets a little too carried away with some settings. I also feel KDE's System Settings program is disorganized, but at least everything is all in 1 place. There are a few things in KDE that I just leave at the defaults because they're too tedious to edit myself. I personally feel XFCE is the only distro that really got everything settings related done right, though I feel KDE has the best features.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Vash63 View Post
        The right click button is application controlled, I'm guessing whatever they're planning on doing here will be universal for all applications so it's quite different than a right click.
        Unlikely. The implementation of right-click menus is already as universal as it can reasonably be - that is, it's handled *mostly* by the toolkit, whether that be Gtk+, Qt, or something else. Because those menu items need to talk to the widgets to do anything, and the toolkit (or the application, in the case of customised stuff) is where the menu behaviour has to be implemented.

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        • #19
          I never use the middle button for pasting... and I don't use Gnome 3. Why would I care about this topic? Well, I don't. Bye!

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          • #20
            At this stage it's time to declare GNOME and GTK+ anachronisms. Qt is the way to go.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by dee. View Post
              I never use the middle button for pasting... and I don't use Gnome 3. Why would I care about this topic? Well, I don't. Bye!
              I must admit I have always been sheerly impressed by people who read a news about a thing they don't care, and then have the courage to rant in the forums.

              I mean, when a news doesn't interest me, I generally don't even take the time to finish reading it, let alone going through the hassle of logging in, and typing a message only to say that I didn't found it to be interesting / relevant... Amazing.

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              • #22
                IMHO the most important question would be: How will applications behave, that rely on middle-click-paste? E.g. urxvt. If simply highlighting text won't copy it to the clipboard you won't be able to paste text in urxvt. People (like me) who think gnome-terminal (and vte in general) is slow and buggy won't be able to use alternative terminals.

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                • #23
                  Before everyone goes ballistic I think you should take note of the text of the commit that reverted the change
                  We're not really ready for this change, and we haven't
                  messaged it properly. After discussion with Allan Day and
                  Jakup Steiner, we'll defer this change until the next cycle.
                  So I suggest everyone drops a few DEFCON levels and wait until we know what the idea is. Because right now there is basically no information at all.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by LinuxGamer View Post
                    The Fail Boat is why we have the MATE Desktop
                    There is no real reason to use MATE, it's more of a legacy thing, because it uses obsolete technologies and is slower than Xfce.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Calinou View Post
                      There is no real reason to use MATE, it's more of a legacy thing, because it uses obsolete technologies and is slower than Xfce.
                      MATE is a more featurefull desktop than XFCE. XFCE was always the lightweight alternative to GNOME.

                      Last I heard was that XFCE are sticking with the obsolete GTK2, where as MATE are migrating to GTK3. MATE have already removed most of the old deprecated GNOME libraries.

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                      • #26
                        Dear Gnome, and the retarded designers who hate users, fuck you. Enough said.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by doom_Oo7 View Post
                          I must admit I have always been sheerly impressed by people who read a news about a thing they don't care, and then have the courage to rant in the forums.
                          That's just the phoronix forum team of "expert" analysts. They always give their objective, unbiased commentary on everything just for our benefit! Through their efforts to extinguish the flames of ignorance, I've learned to hate Gnome, Mono, AMD graphics, Ubuntu, Mir, Nvidia, emacs, etc.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by bwat47 View Post
                            Gnome 3 is not "less customizable" than gnome 2. It does have less built in preferences, but it is designed in a way that actually makes it far more customizable than gnome 2 due to its support for extensions. People tend to greatly exaggerate gnome 3's "lack of customization".

                            The most important "missing options" are available in gnome-tweak-tool (such as font settings). I agree font settings should be available somewhere in the normal preferences, but its silly how some people totally disregard the tweak tool because its not the "regular preferences" or such similar silly arguments.
                            Those lack of customization ones are extremely good arguments. If it's not configurable by default, it's not configurable by the majority.

                            Gnome Tweak Tool, a GUI for their registry, is barely better than Regedit for Windows. Requiring a third-party tool to provide options that should've been configurable in the main package is terrible.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by curaga View Post
                              Gnome Tweak Tool, a GUI for their registry, is barely better than Regedit for Windows. Requiring a third-party tool to provide options that should've been configurable in the main package is terrible.
                              If you think gnome-tweak-tool and regedit have something in common, then I am assuming that you have never used it. It is basically an "advanced options" app. It is also not a third-party tool.
                              Feel free to argue that some options belong in the "basic" options (lacking a better word), because I think there are a few cases as well, but you could perhaps at least try to avoid being totally misleading?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by kigurai View Post
                                If you think gnome-tweak-tool and regedit have something in common, then I am assuming that you have never used it. It is basically an "advanced options" app. It is also not a third-party tool.
                                Feel free to argue that some options belong in the "basic" options (lacking a better word), because I think there are a few cases as well, but you could perhaps at least try to avoid being totally misleading?
                                If you take a look at what gnome-tweak-tool does, it changes Gnome's registry. This makes it in function similar to regedit.

                                I know it's not dconf-editor but looks more like a settings panel. That doesn't change the fact its choices change Gnome registry.

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