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    Phoronix: LibreOffice 4.1 Release Piles On New Features

    Just days after the Apache OpenOffice 4.0 release, The Document Foundation is ready with their release of LibreOffice 4.1. This release brings forward many new features to the open-source office suite, including the new IBM-donated sidebar UI found in OpenOffice 4.0...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTQyMDI

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    I think the No1 problem for Libre/Open Office is the compatibility issues with the proprietary MS Office formats. I've tested both AOO and LO in a complex .doc and i can say that LO 4.1 is VERY improved but still there are some issues.

    AOO on the other hand probably is improved too (its been a long time since i used it) but it has more bugs than LO opening a .doc

    There are many bugs when you edit a .doc or .docx format with both MSO and LO (if you do a work with a friend together for example) too that i haven't tested the LO progress in that.

    I think LO progress is fantastic though. I hope AOO "pressure" will push both projects development more.
    Last edited by verde; 07-25-2013, 05:38 PM.

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    • #3
      Nice to see all the Java code being replaced.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by verde View Post
        I think the No1 problem for Libre/Open Office is the compatibility issues with the proprietary MS Office formats. I've tested both AOO and LO in a complex .doc and i can say that LO 4.1 is VERY improved but still there are some issues.

        AOO on the other hand probably is improved too (its been a long time since i used it) but it has more bugs than LO opening a .doc

        There are many bugs when you edit a .doc or .docx format with both MSO and LO (if you do a work with a friend together for example) too that i haven't tested the LO progress in that.

        I think LO progress is fantastic though. I hope AOO "pressure" will push both projects development more.
        I have to agree. Is there a site setup anywhere to easily submit documents that get messed up?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by verde View Post
          I think the No1 problem for Libre/Open Office is the compatibility issues with the proprietary MS Office formats.
          /facepalm
          How is this a problem at all (let alone #1) for LO? LO is free. LO has its own document formats. Use them. And if you want to use proprietary MS Office formats so desperately, there's an office suite specifically designed for that. It's called MS Office.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by bakgwailo View Post
            I have to agree. Is there a site setup anywhere to easily submit documents that get messed up?
            Yes, their bug tracker.

            Originally posted by prodigy_ View Post
            /facepalm
            How is this a problem at all (let alone #1) for LO? LO is free. LO has its own document formats. Use them. And if you want to use proprietary MS Office formats so desperately, there's an office suite specifically designed for that. It's called MS Office.
            That's true. Insist on using the Open Document Formats. The latest MS Office versions (everything since 2007 SP2, including it) have native support for them, too (you just have to not be dumb and select ODF on first run, instead of MS OOXML). So the only ones that have problems with it is the users of ancient MS Office versions, and they are the ones to blame for not upgrading to either a new one or LibreOffice.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by verde View Post
              I think the No1 problem for Libre/Open Office is the compatibility issues with the proprietary MS Office formats.
              Newsflash: even MS office has compatibility issues with MS office formats. Those formats are such an unholy mess of spaghetti, they keep changing them each version... they're full of bugs, with MS software not following their own specifications, MS office document saved with one version of MS office may not open properly in another version of MS office, and so on.

              If you want document files that can be opened reliably, use ODF.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
                Yes, their bug tracker.
                Obviously, I was more thinking of an easier, more stream lined process for end users to upload problematic documents.

                Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
                That's true. Insist on using the Open Document Formats. The latest MS Office versions (everything since 2007 SP2, including it) have native support for them, too (you just have to not be dumb and select ODF on first run, instead of MS OOXML). So the only ones that have problems with it is the users of ancient MS Office versions, and they are the ones to blame for not upgrading to either a new one or LibreOffice.
                Yes, because this is oh, so easy to do in a corporate setting, or with clients, or even to do in an academic setting. Face it - the majority of people use MS Office (at least in the US), so for LO/AOO to be able to gain market share at a decent rate, they need to be able to support these formats. If LO/AOO almost fully support MS Office formats, that will remove one of the bigger barriers of entry for end users to try it. This then increases the market share for LO/AOO, and once it gets a critical enough mass, the MS Office formats won't really matter anymore. Although I would also say that interface and performance improvements are also pretty important, too.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by bakgwailo View Post
                  Obviously, I was more thinking of an easier, more stream lined process for end users to upload problematic documents.
                  Their bug tracker submission process is quite streamlined. It's a bit different from your regular bug tracker submission process. See it for yourself: https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/bug/

                  Originally posted by bakgwailo View Post
                  Yes, because this is oh, so easy to do in a corporate setting, or with clients, or even to do in an academic setting. Face it - the majority of people use MS Office (at least in the US), so for LO/AOO to be able to gain market share at a decent rate, they need to be able to support these formats. If LO/AOO almost fully support MS Office formats, that will remove one of the bigger barriers of entry for end users to try it. This then increases the market share for LO/AOO, and once it gets a critical enough mass, the MS Office formats won't really matter anymore. Although I would also say that interface and performance improvements are also pretty important, too.
                  In an academic setting, we here in Europe use PDF. There is literally no reason not to everything supports reading PDFs, you can show slides in PDF format as well, and everything looks just the same for everyone. In a corporate setting, you usually don't get any fancy documents anyway, and LibreOffice handles spreadsheets just fine as it is. If you need to send documents to others, again, PDF.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by prodigy_ View Post
                    /facepalm
                    How is this a problem at all (let alone #1) for LO? LO is free. LO has its own document formats. Use them. And if you want to use proprietary MS Office formats so desperately, there's an office suite specifically designed for that. It's called MS Office.
                    I the cage or cave you may live probably everyone uses LO so there is no problem. In real world I cant force everyone to use LO (partners, companys, public institutions) so there is a huge problem and thats why it is hard to work on serious projects with LO.

                    Ignoring that is an easy solution. Thank god, LO developers are aware of that and they are keep improving it.

                    Mr. smart aleck!
                    Last edited by verde; 07-26-2013, 01:16 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by verde View Post
                      I the cage or cave you may live probably everyone uses LO so there is no problem. In real world I cant force everyone to use LO (partners, companys, public institutions) so there is a huge problem and thats why it is hard to work on serious projects with LO.

                      Ignoring that is an easy solution. Thank god, LO developers are aware of that and they are keep improving it.

                      Mr. smart aleck!
                      What makes it "a huge problem"? LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org have a very respectable share (not in terms of $$$ obviously, because LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org are free, but in terms of installations the figures for both are very respectable).

                      Besides:
                      http://delimiter.com.au/2013/05/29/r...-doc-standard/

                      If governments keep making sensible decisions in picking OpenDocument format rather than the muddled lock-in mess that is Microsoft's OOXML, then it will become incumbent on Microsoft to improve their support of ODF if they wish to keep selling MS Office.
                      Last edited by hal2k1; 07-27-2013, 08:56 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by hal2k1 View Post
                        What makes it "a huge problem"? LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org have a very respectable share (not in terms of $$$ obviously, because LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org are free, but in terms of installations the figures for both are very respectable).

                        Besides:
                        http://delimiter.com.au/2013/05/29/r...-doc-standard/

                        If governments keep making sensible decisions in picking OpenDocument format rather than the muddled lock-in mess that is Microsoft's OOXML, then it will become incumbent on Microsoft to improve their support of ODF if they wish to keep selling MS Office.
                        I have already answered that on the quote you mention. Ignoring the problem is not a solution. Ignoring the feedback (most users problem with LO or AOO is the compatibility with MSO) is the worst action you could take.

                        I would like a world using only LO or any other free office suite too but thats not possible.

                        Libreoffice is making a fantastic job to improve support of proprietary formats. 4.1 is a huge step forward but still a complicated docx created on MS Word has a lot of bugs when i open it with LO. AOO is far behind LO in that area.
                        Last edited by verde; 07-28-2013, 07:10 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by verde View Post
                          AOO is far behind LO in that area.
                          I beg to differ. OpenOffice 4.0 fixed a lot of bugs and compatibility issues while throwing in several new features.
                          http://www.openoffice.org/developmen...ses/4.0.0.html

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by intellivision View Post
                            I beg to differ. OpenOffice 4.0 fixed a lot of bugs and compatibility issues while throwing in several new features.
                            http://www.openoffice.org/developmen...ses/4.0.0.html
                            My opinion is based on a couple of documents that i have and i test every stable release of Libreoffice to see the differences. The progress in Libreoffice is fantastic but still there are many bugs.

                            I dont know how much Openoffice improved since last stable (i hadn't installed for a long time) version but in comparison between them, Libreoffice is far more compatible with documents created in MS Office.

                            As i said thats what i saw. You can test it yourself and post here your results too. Of course you will need a very complicated docx document to see the differences.
                            Last edited by verde; 07-28-2013, 07:38 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by verde View Post
                              My opinion is based on a couple of documents that i have and i test every stable release of Libreoffice to see the differences. The progress in Libreoffice is fantastic but still there are many bugs.
                              Have you sent the developers your complex docx files? I think somebody mentioned that they happily accept them via their bugzilla page. If it's got sensitive information then could you blank that out and then send it to them?

                              If you have then as an LO user I thank you :-)

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