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  • #16
    Originally posted by Maxjen View Post
    Thanks, but I knew that already. It is also possible to hide it under the taskbar. But when will there be a default option to disable it?
    […] this one thing really bothers me.
    You know how to disable the toolbox and you still are bothered by it? That must be one of the most retarded comments I've read lately on Phoronix and that says a lot!
    As you are aware: It IS possible to hide the toolbox.

    Just because KDE software is very configurable, does it not mean that all options have to be accessible by the UI. You can edit plasma-desktop-appletsrc by hand if you like.
    Whether or not to disable the toolbox by default is – as always – the distributor’s choice!

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Maxjen View Post
      Yes, I actually do like KDE, but this one thing really bothers me. Why is there an ugly toolbox which serves no purpose that I can't disable without installing 3rd party software.
      For one thing, there needs to be a backup in case the right-click menu is disabled.

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      • #18
        It's also a nice visual cue when writing tutorials. You can't exactly screenshot a right mouse button click.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
          You know how to disable the toolbox and you still are bothered by it? That must be one of the most retarded comments I've read lately on Phoronix and that says a lot!
          As you are aware: It IS possible to hide the toolbox.
          Wow, call me a retard for not liking something, very mature.
          I really think I shouldn't have to research on the internet and install something just to have a clean desktop. And I am not alone. There is actually a very old bug requesting such an option and the only reason given why it wasn't implemented was:

          Aaron J. Seigo 2008-01-22
          seriously, give us a couple of releases so you all actually start to be able to see what we're working towards.

          Aaron J. Seigo 2008-02-25
          and finally, no, you probably don't know what the toolbox is intended for and no i'm not going to sit here and write pages explaining it. there is purpose to it, you'll see it as the code emerges. explaining it beforehand is not going to resolve the situation any faster.

          Aaron J. Seigo 2008-06-23
          watch how things evolve, by all means. you won't be disappointed. perhaps that makes it a bit more frustrating too: we're working to get everything in place where everyone can be happy and while we do so people continue to waste time with these discussions as if nothing is happening.


          This was 5 years ago and unfortunately there is still no apparent purpose to the toolbox except for mobile devices where you don't have a mouse.(and I am sure probably 90% of KDE users don't use such a device)

          Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
          Just because KDE software is very configurable, does it not mean that all options have to be accessible by the UI. You can edit plasma-desktop-appletsrc by hand if you like.
          Whether or not to disable the toolbox by default is – as always – the distributor’s choice!
          I don't think it is possible to disable it by editing a config file. You really have to install 3rd party software.

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          • #20
            just lock plasmoids if don't want to see the cashew.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Maxjen View Post
              Wow, call me a retard for not liking something, very mature.
              I don't aim to look mature on Phoronix (no point to it). When I see a retarded comment, I simply state that a comment is retarded and yours is one of the most retarded ones in recent Phoronix history and that won't change no matter how mature you think writing “very mature” makes you look.

              Originally posted by Maxjen View Post
              This was 5 years ago and unfortunately there is still no apparent purpose to the toolbox
              Not to retarded people, true!

              Originally posted by Maxjen View Post
              I don't think it is possible to disable it by editing a config file. You really have to install 3rd party software.
              The desktop is just a containment. The toolbox is a special kind of Plasma applet (unless something has changed in recent releases).
              Create a containment without that applet and you're done. How you create that containment, is up to you.

              The simple truth remains: It's not required to modify the C++ source code of Plasma Desktop and recompile it. Therefore it's configurable.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Thaodan View Post
                just lock plasmoids if don't want to see the cashew.
                This would be perfect but unfortunately that only works for the thing in the taskbar.

                Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
                I don't aim to look mature on Phoronix (no point to it). When I see a retarded comment, I simply state that a comment is retarded and yours is one of the most retarded ones in recent Phoronix history and that won't change no matter how mature you think writing “very mature” makes you look.

                Not to retarded people, true!
                You sound upset. No need to get emotional about this.

                Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
                The desktop is just a containment. The toolbox is a special kind of Plasma applet (unless something has changed in recent releases).
                Create a containment without that applet and you're done. How you create that containment, is up to you.

                The simple truth remains: It's not required to modify the C++ source code of Plasma Desktop and recompile it. Therefore it's configurable.
                I know this and creating a containment requires C++. That is not what I call configurable.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Maxjen View Post
                  I know this and creating a containment requires C++.
                  No, it doesn't.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
                    No, it doesn't.
                    Ok, I found the documentation page of the containment class and that was in C++. Maybe it is also possible to write one in javascript or something but still, why should you have to code stuff just to get a clean desktop? It would be so easy to provide an option for that and many people want it. It makes no sense that it still isn't implemented.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Maxjen View Post
                      Ok, I found the documentation page of the containment class and that was in C++.
                      Of the two Plasma widgets to ease users with hiding the toolbox one is written in Python, the other on Ruby. Neither is written in C++.

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                      • #26
                        Also, there is a desktop containment fully written in QML.

                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR5UZUtcOGc

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
                          Of the two Plasma widgets to ease users with hiding the toolbox one is written in Python, the other on Ruby. Neither is written in C++.
                          Okay, but that still doesn't change the fact that you have to either install or code something. It is one extra thing I have to do everytime I install KDE. Not really that big of a deal, but what bothers me is that this has been requested for 5 years and no good reason was given why it hasn't been implemented. It feels like some KDE developers don't care about the users. When for example Gnome-Shell had no shutdown button they changed it after many users complained.

                          Originally posted by Alejandro Nova View Post
                          Also, there is a desktop containment fully written in QML.

                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR5UZUtcOGc
                          Nice, very smooth animations.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Maxjen View Post
                            Okay, but that still doesn't change the fact that you have to either install or code something.
                            The fact remains that you can hide it so STFU.
                            Nobody complains that Firefox’ functionality is extensible via add-ons that have to be installed.

                            Originally posted by Maxjen View Post
                            It is one extra thing I have to do everytime I install KDE.
                            Nobody cares.

                            Originally posted by Maxjen View Post
                            Not really that big of a deal, but what bothers me is that this has been requested for 5 years and no good reason was given why it hasn't been implemented.
                            It has been explained, you just don't accept the explanation.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
                              The fact remains that you can hide it so STFU.
                              Nobody complains that Firefox’ functionality is extensible via add-ons that have to be installed.
                              Plasma being extensible is not the problem, it is actually a good thing. The problem is that a very basic functionality is not implemented by default.

                              Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
                              Nobody cares.
                              Actually a lot of people care. Just read the huge discussion on the bug report:
                              https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154535
                              Unfortunately the main plasma developer seems just as stubborn as you so they eventually gave up on it.

                              Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
                              It has been explained, you just don't accept the explanation.
                              I have seen two explanations:
                              1) Right click isn't always available. That's like 5% of the userbase and on those devices plasma could easily use a different containment if they don't already.
                              2) "It will be awesome, just wait for it." Five years later... it's not awesome.

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                              • #30
                                As it's been said, anyone can hide the desktop cashew under the main panel / task bar if they dislike it.

                                I'm using KDE 4.10.5 and the desktop cashew is really small, also.
                                Last edited by Nth_man; 07-20-2013, 07:39 PM.

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