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  • Show the embedded worls some love

    Dear LXDE. I think it is a wise decision to move to Qt, as it really is a ell thouguth out and well documented Application Framework. I am a big fan of KDE, but worry that it is moving away from my needs on the Desktop. They seem to put so much energy into things I don't use or care about - Semantic desktop, PIM, and Plasma. So I look forward to a new simple lightweight desktop based on Qt.

    I would like to see LXDE throw out a super light weight desktop for embedded systems. We used to have Qtopia for this, it was nothing fancy but for industrial design it was perfect. Qtopia has been gone for sometime now but there is nothing to feel its place. A lot of companies need a very light weight desktop that simply gives you a desktop with icon management to launch applications and control them, a lightweight IPC mechanisim, and maybe a package management system.


    Compared to a fully blown desktop this is really low hanging fruit. and I feel it would be quickly adopted by thousands of projects (commercial and open source) and all chip manufactures offering Board Support Products (BSP).

    Please consider the embedded space for LXDE

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    • Originally posted by mrugiero View Post
      I didn't know about the calls home and adware.
      Read more:

      http://log.nadim.cc/?p=78
      http://www.adweek.com/news/advertisi...s-8-ads-147248
      http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertho...ws-8-1-search/

      I can only talk about the ones I've tried to tell if it's harder or easier than Windows, that's why I mentioned Ubuntu specifically. I agree that they actually relate it because of familiarity, but in their minds it's "easier", because they are used to it.
      Yes. Good thing my first "OS" was the system basic of C-64...

      That's a stupid move from them.
      Yes.

      I wonder what would this mean to cloud lovers. A few days before of the NSA-gate, I had an argument with a friend (two friends, actually, but the other one shared my view) who wanted the world to go completely to the cloud, I mean, process the most you can and storage on central servers owned by x company and having only thin clients on the market, and I told him that then he doesn't ever know what happens to his data. My other friend didn't even need the privacy argument, but instead the intellectual property one: if I'm doing research, I want my data to be safe within *my* hard drive, so information doesn't leak before I get to issue a patent for my discoveries. If your *all* of your data is in someone else's servers, they can take it, and you have no way to prove that it's *your* research in the first place.
      Cloud technology needs to address privacy concerns. A cloud storage needs to be implemented in a way that everything is encrypted automatically, so that even the servers don't have the keys, only the user does, and the keys need to be stored locally. The local app that connects to the cloud could automatically generate the key (open source, of course, so the user knows they can trust it) when the cloud account is created. If the user wants to add another device, they'd need to export the key and manually add it in to the other device, or there could be some automation mechanism for this, but it'd also need to be in the user's control and open source.

      For other cloud services, similar safeguards should be in place, so that all user data is saved in encrypted form, and all the local apps need to be open source so the user can be sure nothing unnecessary is sent to the servers.

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      • Originally posted by archibald View Post
        The update that brings back the start menu and booting to desktop hasn't been released yet (at least in Europe).
        Brings back the start BUTTON, big difference. There still isn't any start menu in 8.1.
        "Supposedly most importantly, the Start icon is back in the desktop mode [...] However, this icon will merely flip your giant screen back to the stupid Start Screen." Source

        Plus nobody forces you to use windows 8.
        Unless you want dx11.2 which is win 8.1 exclusive. Source

        So when everybody's done with the toolkit prick fighting, have a look at this:


        From PCMan's response to the "OMG BLOATED" comments, here.
        Now I know this must be a pretty barebone Debian installation, and automatic background processes that will find their way in e.g. Lubuntu are going to increase the memory usage by a fair deal, still I think it's looking pretty good.
        Last edited by PsynoKhi0; 07-07-2013, 08:19 AM.

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        • Originally posted by DarkCloud View Post
          Dear LXDE.
          Phoronix is no LXDE feedback forum.

          Originally posted by DarkCloud View Post
          They seem to put so much energy into things I don't use or care about
          Then don’t use them…


          Originally posted by DarkCloud View Post
          Semantic desktop
          Optional.


          Originally posted by DarkCloud View Post
          PIM
          Optional.


          Originally posted by DarkCloud View Post
          and Plasma.
          You obviously have no clue what Plasma even is.


          Originally posted by DarkCloud View Post
          So I look forward to a new simple lightweight desktop based on Qt.

          I would like to see LXDE throw out a super light weight desktop for embedded systems.
          LXDE is for desktops, not embedded.

          Originally posted by DarkCloud View Post
          We used to have Qtopia for this, it was nothing fancy but for industrial design it was perfect. Qtopia has been gone for sometime now but there is nothing to feel its place.
          Qtopia was for phones, LXDE is not and never has been.
          The QtMoko project is maintaining a fork of Qtopia.

          Originally posted by DarkCloud View Post
          A lot of companies need a very light weight desktop that simply gives you a desktop with icon management to launch applications and control them, a lightweight IPC mechanisim, and maybe a package management system.
          Those companies can pay to develop this then.

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          • Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
            Plus nobody forces you to use windows 8. Windows 7 works just fine and it will continue to work for many years. Unlike linux where backward compatibility is just a joke. You're lucky if you can run an application from 10 years ago if it was unmaintained.
            Grandia 2 for the PC. I'm still pissed about it.

            I mustn't feed the trolls.... Ahh hell.

            Back on topic, PCMan has said that he is still porting to the new GTK as well, this was just a side project, however with the feedback it's getting I bet it becomes flagship. I guess time will tell.

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            • Originally posted by makomk View Post
              I'm pretty sure that's not true of widget theming, which pretty much every desktop environment seems to do - in fact, supposedly even within 3.x new versions often break themes developed for older GTK 3 versions. There's probably other stuff that normal applications don't have to do that's broken from 2.x to 3.x too. Worse still, this appears to be intentional - the GTK developers have said they don't care about non-GNOME consumers of GTK.
              Ok, fine... widget theming. Do you really think that when someone is talking about the difficulty of porting an application from gtk 2.x to 3.x and the associated API breaks, he's talking about widget theming?

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              • Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
                Phoronix is no LXDE feedback forum.


                Then don’t use them…



                Optional.



                Optional.

                I don't, but the point is they get 90% of the KDE developer resources, which is a good reason why LXDE and Razor even came to be.


                You obviously have no clue what Plasma even is.
                > Yes it is something that takes up lots of CPU resources and provides what are for me rather useless apps.



                LXDE is for desktops, not embedded.
                > But maybe to grab traction they ought to go for something they really can conquer. It taks a lot of resources to do a fully blown Desktop OS. So many things today have HMI why not go there is my suggestion. After all even KDE seems to be focused on mobile now a days.


                Qtopia was for phones, LXDE is not and never has been.
                The QtMoko project is maintaining a fork of Qtopia.

                > No Qtopia was developed originally for PDA's and embedded systems, latter it migrated to phones, but not a single Qtopia phone ever shipped (Except the Green Phone). QtMoko looks to be for phones


                Those companies can pay to develop this then.
                .

                > Perhaps big companies might throw some resources behind LXDE if there was something there. Is there really anything wrong with having a few commercial cutomers behind LXDE

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                • Originally posted by DarkCloud View Post
                  the point is they get 90% of the KDE developer resources
                  That's an outright lie. Only a handful of devs develop those features and these devs are not involved anywhere else.

                  Originally posted by DarkCloud View Post
                  which is a good reason why LXDE and Razor even came to be
                  Another wrong statement by you: LXDE predates those technologies.

                  Originally posted by DarkCloud View Post
                  Yes it is something that takes up lots of CPU resources and provides what are for me rather useless apps.
                  You just proved that you don't know at all what Plasma is.
                  Plasma is just a small (3MB) library that adds a few UI features to Qt to allow modular GUI creation.

                  Originally posted by DarkCloud View Post
                  After all even KDE seems to be focused on mobile now a days.
                  No.

                  PS: Even your inability to quote proves how clueless you are…

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                  • Originally posted by mrugiero View Post
                    I didn't mean few people is concerned, but pissed. I think a lot of people, including myself, believe that from the very basics a state can't hide laws (the congress approved such thing, wtf?) from their people, since this wouldn't be a real representation: "how can I know I share someone's views in a subject if that person doesn't talk about it and I'm not even aware of the issue?", and also the whole spying on their citizens and non citizens thing (which is a layer up this) is too much, is kind of one of the arguments USA gave to be against communism: you are not free, and there is a police state that knows your every move (which isn't really true for the theory, but for the implementations we've seen). It's at least hypocrisy to then use the same methods "to protect us" (well, not actually "us", I'm from another country). But I interpret being pissed off as actually trying to do something against it. Not necessarily protesting, but for example migrating from Windows, or plainly quitting computers for the sake of privacy. This, I didn't see one around.
                    Want to know the funny thing about that?

                    Phone Tapping started in the 1950s by the FBI with the whole Red Scare. Ever hear of a fun little thing called ECHELON? That's right while we were complaining about the Soviet police state we were busy setting up our own, and not just the US but Europe was setting up their own systems.

                    Scanning of the internet was started under the Clinton Administration as early as 1997 with the CARNIVORE system, for the FBI, no doubt the CIA and NSA had their own systems at that time or even earlier but that's never going to be public record.

                    In 2006 use of a phone as a recording device without the individuals knowledge was ruled as acceptable by a judge in a case against one of the mobs.

                    There is soon to be a fleet of 30,000 UAVs flying over the US, no doubt armed with Hellfire missiles, and if not they will soon.

                    and of course NSA has PRISM going on, and the CIA is building a datacenter just to store all of the data they've been gathering...

                    and see this is what bothers me about people who complain about things like the Patriot Act or think that "Oh now this will be the final straw". The Patriot Act and things like the Defense Authorization Act only legalized what they were already doing. It's not like it's suddenly "Oh now it's legal and we can start" no it's "We're already doing this but we want to make a move we could potentially be called on publicly so we better legalize doing this".

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