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  • #16
    - VP9 is made for the Web, to compete with H264 Main Profile (as used in YouTube).
    - It is twice as good as H264 and will be used on YouTube by the end of this year.
    - The upcoming Chrome 28 supports VP9 behind a flag, Chrome 29 will support it by default.
    - Hardware decoders are in development, but will take some time.
    - H265 will probably be used for the nextgen, 4K movies on Blu-Ray etc., but not on the Web

    => VP9 is full of awesome

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    • #17
      Just wait until youtube starts requiring your browser to support this new html5-embedded DRM...

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      • #18
        Originally posted by AnonymousCoward View Post
        I am curious, has any hardware manufacturer announced to support VP9 using hardware video decoding?
        Otherwise, although interesting, the use of VP9 in practice will surely be as limited as VP8 was.
        Yes, it is being implemented in mobile device GPUs that are paired with ARM CPUs, including future Tegra chipsets but those are all years away. No desktop/notebook GPU hardware will likely ever support VP9 hardware decoding as decoding will likely be done via the CPU with the GPU doing processing of certain things (hardware accelerated decoding), much like how h.264 was handled intially.

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        • #19
          Youtube has a few test sample vp9 videos on youtube, i'm not sure when they will start encoding all their videos in it. The codec bitstream is finalised, there will be lots of speed improvements to the encoder and decoder over the next few months so i expect youtube will use it once the speed is acceptable.

          Google is designing the hardware decode circuitry and will allow hardware vendors copy it and incorporate into their chips free of charge, not sure when they will have finished designing the circuitry.

          WebM will be used as the container along with opus audio on youtube.

          It will be just a few percent behind h265 aka hevc once they have optimised it. Google has lots of engineers working on this so i expect the speed will be significantly higher at the end of the year.

          I expect we'll see hardware decoding in chips next year sometime, i won't be buying any new apu's until they have hardware decoding for h265 and vp9 as they both use quite a bit of cpu utilisation. This will be used in phones a lot btw, bandwidth reduction is very important for those due to data allowances and lower speeds.

          For the guy who said vp8 uses a lot of cpu, you must have a pretty old cpu. I'd suggest if you have a desktop to get a new graphics card in 1yr, then you can hardware decode vp8/vp9/h265. The £28 cards will be fine for that.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by dee. View Post
            Just wait until youtube starts requiring your browser to support this new html5-embedded DRM...
            That won't happen. The "encrypted media extensions" html5 drm will be used for pay content like films, tv shows, live broadcasts etc on youtube and possibly music videos, possibly partner videos. The rest won't otherwise enormous numbers of people wouldn't be able to use youtube.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by powdigsig View Post
              This is so important for me that I just MUST comment!
              I use WebM, VP8 (the previous version) and if youtube won't play the video for me in WebM in Chromium I just ./youtube-dl -tf it down and then open with Totem/VLC and just enjoy
              VP9 sounds cool. So what version of Chrome/Chromium? Must be dev version, right? Now I use 27.x.(which I got from Alex Shkop's ppa)
              Originally posted by »John« View Post
              I absolutely hate DRM platforms and that's why I'm doing exactly the same thing. This extension even makes it extremely convenient
              Originally posted by madjr View Post
              so when will youtube switch fully to html5 ?
              If video has embedding enabled, change URL:

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUVTCEeBrhM

              to

              http://www.youtube.com/embed/yUVTCEeBrhM

              ... and you are fully HTML5. No need for Flash, as you can still comment on video without Flash installed and watch content in HTML5 via this easy workaround.

              Embedded videos will always be served as HTML5.
              Youtube disables HTML5 in non-preview mode for A LOT of content, because they need to insert Ads and their Ads engine is not working on HTML5/WebM yet.
              So if OP has opt-in'ed for monetarisation, thus turned on the Ads, and then only Flash is allowed.

              You can also use extension (for Firefox; Chrome should have equivalents) such as Youtube Anywhere Player, that force HTML5.
              Last edited by brosis; 06-17-2013, 01:41 PM.

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              • #22
                Hrm
                Code:
                git clone https://code.google.com/p/webm.libvpx/
                cd webm.libvpx
                ./configure
                make
                ./vpxenc birds.y4m -o vp9-test.webm -p 1 -t 12 --good --cpu-used=2 --end-usage=cq --cq-level=10 --target-bitrate=25000 --kf-min-dist=0 --kf-max-dist=360 --codec=vp9
                Resulting encode speed 1 minute per frame.

                Did I do something wrong?

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                • #23
                  so, google now creates "web standards" by publishing some new development version of their browser, say "this is now the final standard" and start using it on their own services?

                  Thank you, Microsoft from the nineties, for being such a great role model.

                  Not that i have any objections against having better codecs on the web, but the only purpose of developing software in this manner is to keep apple, mozilla, microsoft, etc from "catching up" with google's new "standard".

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                  • #24
                    Asking if VP9 is better than H264 is about as useless as asking if Linux is better than Windows or Mac OSX.

                    If you don't care about freedom, fine, go get yourself a Mac, H264, MS Office, etc, you will be much happier.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by dstaubsauger View Post
                      so, google now creates "web standards" by publishing some new development version of their browser, say "this is now the final standard" and start using it on their own services?

                      Thank you, Microsoft from the nineties, for being such a great role model.

                      Not that i have any objections against having better codecs on the web, but the only purpose of developing software in this manner is to keep apple, mozilla, microsoft, etc from "catching up" with google's new "standard".
                      Your claims are incorrect. VP9 has been published as a specification and even submitted to the MPEG (Not to be confused with MPEG-LA) standards committee. It is a fully open specification with a royalty free patent license.

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                      • #26
                        @RahulSundaram
                        [...] Today also marks the day that the VP9 Bitstream is considered frozen.
                        Please tell me how this is not "Google makes a standard by releasing the software".

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by dstaubsauger View Post
                          @RahulSundaram


                          Please tell me how this is not "Google makes a standard by releasing the software".
                          You seem confused. Google doesn't get to declare any standards on its own. For something to be called a standard, it has to go through a standards body like ISO. VPx has been submitted to the MPEG standards committe but hasn't gone through the standardization process and it will take time. This is not something you want to rush.

                          Google has published a reference implementation for VP9 a while back but they are finalizing the spec and releasing a reference implementation at the same time and this is not a uncommon thing for anyone publishing a new version of a codec. Ogg codecs have been published by Xiph in a similar manner. The spec is under an open royalty free license and the reference implementation is under free and open source license. What more do you want?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by hajj_3 View Post
                            That won't happen. The "encrypted media extensions" html5 drm will be used for pay content like films, tv shows, live broadcasts etc on youtube and possibly music videos, possibly partner videos. The rest won't otherwise enormous numbers of people wouldn't be able to use youtube.
                            Ok, and you're sure that won't happen because... what, Google says so? Well, that changes everything. Everyone knows we can ALWAYS trust big, multinational corporations, they NEVER go back on their word or have hidden ulterior motives...

                            Google is one of the parties behind the HTML5 DRM plan. The whole thing is a scheme lobbied for by hollywood gatekeepers and media giants, who want to protect their "intellectual property". Mark my words, soon we'll see youtube videos that require DRM to play, because if the media giants demand that of Google... they'll pretty much have to give in.
                            Last edited by dee.; 06-17-2013, 04:56 PM.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by dee. View Post
                              Ok, and you're sure that won't happen because... what, Google says so? Well, that changes everything. Everyone knows we can ALWAYS trust big, multinational corporations, they NEVER go back on their word or have hidden ulterior motives...
                              The more realistic reason is that DRM extensions in HTML 5 is better suited for ... DRM (duh) and Google has a commercial interest in an open video codec.

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                              • #30
                                Nice. I hope this will also be a part of the Lib-ray standard.

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