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  • Features Being Developed For KDE 4.11 Desktop

    Phoronix: Features Being Developed For KDE 4.11 Desktop

    With one week to go until the soft feature freeze for KDE 4.11, there's a better idea for the features that are likely to come to the next major release of the KDE Plasma desktop...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTM3Mjg

  • #2
    Of specific note in regards to the QML Work for 4.11

    1) The menu should be finally ported to QML.
    2) The Task bar should be finally ported to QML, thereby hopefully fixing the bug that causes entries to overlap or be in the wrong order or be skipping spaces, etc. Was supposed to land in 4.10 but it didn't make it.

    KDE 4.11 is set to release in early August assuming no delays.

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    • #3
      The full screen fix would certainly be nice and appreciated. I'm not exactly sure what it is supposed to fix but I have come to notice that anything I do in fullscreen seems to have a very inconsistent frame rate. It's always smooth, but I if the camera in a game or movie is moving at a constant speed, it doesn't appear that way on my screen - its hard to describe but it's basically as though the camera speeds up and slows down every other second, subtly though. I only get this problem in KDE, but since I don't game or watch movies often, it hasn't been enough of a nuisance to do anything about it. vsync doesn't fix it.

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      • #4
        4.11 was supposed to have a lot of the kwin qt5 work done, wasn't it?

        I think they had a goal of being able to compile with Qt5, even though it wouldn't be a supported option. How'd that go?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
          I think they had a goal of being able to compile with Qt5, even though it wouldn't be a supported option. How'd that go?
          For those curious.... what Smitty is referencing is: http://vizzzion.org/blog/2013/01/the...-and-plasma-2/

          I do not however see a status update as to whether or not any of these goals have been met or how close they are to BEING met.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
            I think they had a goal of being able to compile with Qt5, even though it wouldn't be a supported option. How'd that go?
            I think all efforts to work on Qt5 are in the frameworks branch, which is completely separate from KDE SC 4.11.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ericg View Post
              2) The Task bar should be finally ported to QML, thereby hopefully fixing the bug that causes entries to overlap or be in the wrong order or be skipping spaces, etc. Was supposed to land in 4.10 but it didn't make it.
              "Hopefully" fixed... I just don't get why that should be. They never managed to find the root of the issue. But as management, painting and animation is then done by QML, it really might be the case.
              Though I'm really afraid of another major crasher. There was one nasty bug in 4.9 that got fixed in QML. 4.10 introduced this - still no reproducable way to crash it. I really hope 4.11 won't get another one crasher :/

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              • #8
                Originally posted by schmalzler View Post
                "Hopefully" fixed... I just don't get why that should be. They never managed to find the root of the issue. But as management, painting and animation is then done by QML, it really might be the case.
                The new task bar is written from scratch which is also why it took so long. The chances of exactly the same bugs repeating are pretty slim. Sure, there may be new bugs but I think seeing the old ones gone is almost certain.

                That said, I don't get the complaints. The whole point of the Plasma architecture is that everything is a plugin. Don't like one taskbar? Use another one. Don't like the notifications? Use different ones.
                I don't like about the current default taskbar that I can't disable task switching via mouse wheel. Nobody sees my bitching about it. I simple use Smooth Tasks 2 instead and am fine.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
                  The new task bar is written from scratch which is also why it took so long. The chances of exactly the same bugs repeating are pretty slim. Sure, there may be new bugs but I think seeing the old ones gone is almost certain.

                  That said, I don't get the complaints. The whole point of the Plasma architecture is that everything is a plugin. Don't like one taskbar? Use another one. Don't like the notifications? Use different ones.
                  I don't like about the current default taskbar that I can't disable task switching via mouse wheel. Nobody sees my bitching about it. I simple use Smooth Tasks 2 instead and am fine.
                  You usually have your algorithms, which should be independent of the used language/toolkit. If the error is there - boom. Probably the root is in the window managing part (Kephal?). Thats't what I said: The devs were not able to get the root of the issue - if it's not inside the GUI part the rewrite won't help.

                  And IMHO the default is what counts. Alternatives are nice to have but often aim at a specific feature. If you want a traditional task bar with Icons + text you are lost.
                  Also I did not complain about plasma/kde/alternatives/... - I simply said that I am afraid this additional radical change (that's what rewrites are in my opinion) may introduce additional problems, probably without solving the old ones.

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                  • #10
                    In the end distributors have to select defaults. They can default to Smooth Tasks as well.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by schmalzler View Post
                      You usually have your algorithms, which should be independent of the used language/toolkit. If the error is there - boom. Probably the root is in the window managing part (Kephal?). Thats't what I said: The devs were not able to get the root of the issue - if it's not inside the GUI part the rewrite won't help.
                      A lot of the algorithms had to change because of the cleaner separation between logic/UI that QML entails.

                      And I don't think Kephal has been used in a long time.

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                      • #12
                        KDE is Krap. The whole thing should be frozen, not just features.
                        Last edited by Panix; 05-20-2013, 10:50 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Panix View Post
                          KDE is Krap. The whole thing should be frozen, not just features.
                          Troll much?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
                            The full screen fix would certainly be nice and appreciated. I'm not exactly sure what it is supposed to fix but I have come to notice that anything I do in fullscreen seems to have a very inconsistent frame rate. It's always smooth, but I if the camera in a game or movie is moving at a constant speed, it doesn't appear that way on my screen - its hard to describe but it's basically as though the camera speeds up and slows down every other second, subtly though. I only get this problem in KDE, but since I don't game or watch movies often, it hasn't been enough of a nuisance to do anything about it. vsync doesn't fix it.
                            I second this.

                            You tube vids, other flash vids. Steam. all have fullscreen issues.
                            Steam in full screen battles with kde over who had control of the screen.

                            I hate how kde even when I have a program running fullscreen, wants to change,
                            when I move my mouse to the screen edge.


                            I am on openSUSE, only vids on my hard disk are not a problem in full screen.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
                              The full screen fix would certainly be nice and appreciated. I'm not exactly sure what it is supposed to fix but I have come to notice that anything I do in fullscreen seems to have a very inconsistent frame rate. It's always smooth, but I if the camera in a game or movie is moving at a constant speed, it doesn't appear that way on my screen - its hard to describe but it's basically as though the camera speeds up and slows down every other second, subtly though. I only get this problem in KDE, but since I don't game or watch movies often, it hasn't been enough of a nuisance to do anything about it. vsync doesn't fix it.
                              This sounds like a rather weak GPU that can't handle GL compositing and GPU-accelerated video decoding at the same time.
                              The feature mentioned is not new. KWin already has an option to disable compositing when applications switch to full screen. This is about a refinement of the existing feature to switch to this mode when running a benchmark probably even if the option if off in System Settings.

                              Originally posted by Gps4l View Post
                              I hate how kde even when I have a program running fullscreen, wants to change,
                              when I move my mouse to the screen edge.
                              Disable hot corners.

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