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  • Canonical Shows Mir, Unity-Next Running On MacBook Pro

    Phoronix: Canonical Shows Mir, Unity-Next Running On MacBook Pro

    A video has been posted to show off Unity-Next (Unity 8.x) running atop the Mir Display Server in its early development form atop an Apple Retina MacBook Pro with Intel HD graphics...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTM3MTg

  • #2
    loooks great, but...no wayland, no party

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    • #3
      Let the Wayland-rox-Mir-sux shitstorm begin... Again...

      As we can see - Mir has much faster pace of development. Any doubts?
      Wayland after 5 years: simple demos, Qt and GTK with artifacts and glitches.
      Mir after 10-11 months: working demo UI and fluid Qt.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Siekacz View Post
        Let the Wayland-rox-Mir-sux shitstorm begin... Again...

        As we can see - Mir has much faster pace of development. Any doubts?
        Wayland after 5 years: simple demos, Qt and GTK with artifacts and glitches.
        Mir after 10-11 months: working demo UI and fluid Qt.
        Mir uses the work done upstream like XWayland customized as XMir, thanks to Wayland by 2012 it had plenty of critical questions answered of what and how should be done to move away from X, much better drivers than in 2008 and a stack of software that changed to support Wayland which with minor or no effort suits Mir too.
        So yes, Mir took off faster (though it still won't be ready till 2014), but it would have taken like 3 more years if not for Wayland, and if Canonical helped back in 2010 Wayland would be done by 2012 I guess.
        So suggesting that the Canonical devs are somehow more agile/smart/whatever is asinine.
        Last edited by mark45; 05-14-2013, 02:09 PM.

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        • #5
          Isn't that just a full screen QML canvas?

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          • #6
            I hope they are a desktop version planed other wise it just looks like Windows 8 in to many ways.

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            • #7
              Looks like windows 8

              Ugh. Another tablet OS running on a desktop computer. DO NOT WANT. Hopefully they have more plans and just haven't gotten to it yet.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Siekacz View Post
                Let the Wayland-rox-Mir-sux shitstorm begin... Again...

                As we can see - Mir has much faster pace of development. Any doubts?
                Wayland after 5 years: simple demos, Qt and GTK with artifacts and glitches.
                Mir after 10-11 months: working demo UI and fluid Qt.
                Mir doesn't even have windows yet, everything is full screen.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Siekacz View Post
                  Wayland after 5 years: simple demos, Qt and GTK with artifacts and glitches.
                  Eh? These looks fairly smooth to me and they go back couple of years.

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQXkQ2QgFZY
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FjuPn7MXMs
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7RxuxlXFQQ

                  If you are running just a simple QML application like the Unity Touch interface then there's very little for the compositor to do. Try floating windows, resizing, moving, closing... etc. How about remote windows over network or color management or actually having stable interfaces?

                  Originally posted by Siekacz View Post
                  Mir after 10-11 months: working demo UI and fluid Qt.
                  ...nothing that Wayland wouldn't already have. How about that GTK+ backend or maybe even EFL? I wonder how much work done by Wayland team on Qt does Mir use... I wouldn't be suprised if it was similar to XMir where they essentially did nothing, just forked off XWayland.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
                    Mir doesn't even have windows yet, everything is full screen.
                    Before I get worried: Unity 8/Next/Whatever is supposed to have windows and a desktop (on desktop machines), doesn't it? Oo

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
                      Mir doesn't even have windows yet, everything is full screen.
                      And AFAIK, wayland still doesn't have minimizing. So your point is?


                      I'm not saying I endorse Mir, but Canonical is proving pretty good progress with it. I just wish they could've put this attention to Wayland, as that would've made a great project that would reduce fragmentation.

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                      • #12
                        Hmmmm

                        Personally I don't care, who brings us an X replacment be it (Wayland, Mer or ....). I don't particularly care if Gtk or EFL
                        are supported either as long at Qt and OpenGL with hardware acceleration via Nvidia's binary drivers are supported and working.

                        I only have 2 Gtk applications even installed on my system Gimp and Inkscape. And at the rate Krita is going it will be capable of replacing gimp or
                        the foundation will be completely laid for someone to come along and implement the proper capabilities into Krita to replace gimp.

                        Inkscape is an easy one to develop, and Qt supports everything needed and then some out of the box to develop a replacement. Doesn't have to support
                        svg, any open vector format will do.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
                          And AFAIK, wayland still doesn't have minimizing. So your point is?


                          I'm not saying I endorse Mir, but Canonical is proving pretty good progress with it. I just wish they could've put this attention to Wayland, as that would've made a great project that would reduce fragmentation.
                          My only point is that Wayland was showing more advanced demos years ago.

                          You can't point to this video and claim it's evidence that Mir is kicking wayland's butt like some people already have. It's actually very simplistic, and not doing much.

                          I won't get into the whole question of whether mir is good/bad/whatever, because that's been done to death a million times already.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by zester View Post
                            Personally I don't care, who brings us an X replacment be it (Wayland, Mer or ....). I don't particularly care if Gtk or EFL
                            are supported either as long at Qt and OpenGL with hardware acceleration via Nvidia's binary drivers are supported and working.

                            I only have 2 Gtk applications even installed on my system Gimp and Inkscape. And at the rate Krita is going it will be capable of replacing gimp or
                            the foundation will be completely laid for someone to come along and implement the proper capabilities into Krita to replace gimp.

                            Inkscape is an easy one to develop, and Qt supports everything needed and then some out of the box to develop a replacement. Doesn't have to support
                            svg, any open vector format will do.
                            I don't use any qt application, for me gtk is so important hahahaa

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by pandev92 View Post
                              I don't use any qt application, for me gtk is so important hahahaa
                              Thats cool, hopefully someday soon it will be that way for both of our toolkits. I was a Gtk developer for a long time(8 years) but
                              I find as a developer. Qt has a lot more to offer, writing complex applications are just so much easier for "me".

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