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  • #16
    Nice KDE tshirt.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
      Ugh. Another tablet OS running on a desktop computer. DO NOT WANT. Hopefully they have more plans and just haven't gotten to it yet.
      If you tried reading, you would know that the unity-next UI shown is for the tablet version. They won't put together the desktop interface until the tablet phone version is done, starting after Ubuntu 13.10 is released. Reading, its how we learn things.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by zester View Post

        I only have 2 Gtk applications even installed on my system Gimp and Inkscape. And at the rate Krita is going it will be capable of replacing gimp or
        the foundation will be completely laid for someone to come along and implement the proper capabilities into Krita to replace gimp.
        Untrue. Krita has an entirely different purpose and goal from GIMP. It is in some respect much more advanced than GIMP (mainly, it's support of OpenGL rendering, colourspaces, high bit depths, dynamic effects) but GIMP is catching up on a lot of those (2.9 already has higher bit depths), and there's lots of stuff you can do on GIMP that is impossible or very impractical on Krita (G'MIC comes to mind). And ultimately it doesn't matter, because the two softwares are not in competition with each other - they complement each other: GIMP is a multi-purpose, general image manipulation framework with great scalability and modularity, while Krita is more geared towards illustration, digital drawing/painting and that sort of stuff. I use both softwares extensively so I know what I'm talking about.

        Inkscape is an easy one to develop, and Qt supports everything needed and then some out of the box to develop a replacement. Doesn't have to support
        svg, any open vector format will do.
        None of the alternatives for Inkscape come close to its functionality, and Inkscape itself has no plans on migrating to Qt, so good luck with that.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by mark45 View Post
          Mir uses the work done upstream like XWayland customized as XMir, thanks to Wayland by 2012 it had plenty of critical questions answered of what and how should be done to move away from X, much better drivers than in 2008 and a stack of software that changed to support Wayland which with minor or no effort suits Mir too.
          So yes, Mir took off faster (though it still won't be ready till 2014), but it would have taken like 3 more years if not for Wayland, and if Canonical helped back in 2010 Wayland would be done by 2012 I guess.
          So suggesting that the Canonical devs are somehow more agile/smart/whatever is asinine.
          And I view that all of that being enabled by the previous work as definitely a good thing. It says we're probably on the right track as far as that goes. I personally have a philosophical/political issue with MIR but that doesn't detract from all the work being done by both people to get both into a working state. I imagine that having an alternative implementation will help find design issues and bugs in the APIs for the linux graphics stack that should enable it to be much more robust.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by dee. View Post
            Untrue. Krita has an entirely different purpose and goal from GIMP. It is in some respect much more advanced than GIMP (mainly, it's support of OpenGL rendering, colourspaces, high bit depths, dynamic effects) but GIMP is catching up on a lot of those (2.9 already has higher bit depths), and there's lots of stuff you can do on GIMP that is impossible or very impractical on Krita (G'MIC comes to mind). And ultimately it doesn't matter, because the two softwares are not in competition with each other - they complement each other: GIMP is a multi-purpose, general image manipulation framework with great scalability and modularity, while Krita is more geared towards illustration, digital drawing/painting and that sort of stuff. I use both softwares extensively so I know what I'm talking about.



            None of the alternatives for Inkscape come close to its functionality, and Inkscape itself has no plans on migrating to Qt, so good luck with that.

            Nice try at trolling but fail on your part.
            A: I said Krita is getting to the point of being able to be developed as a replacement for gimp. G'MIC is getting ready to be merged into Krita besides GraphicsMagick or ITK can do the same thing.
            and filters are the absolutely easiest thing to implement.

            B: I didn't say they were in competition with each other, but ultimately user and developers of Kde/Qt want there own Qt based "Image Editing" applications.

            C: I said Qt provides everything needed to build an Inkscape Alternative, not that there was already one available.


            I ma happy you use Gimp and Inkscape, so do I if you would have read my full comment you would have realized this had nothing to do with anything other than having Qt replacements that I could also work on with out having to develop the software from scratch my self.

            Note: I am very familiar with Gimp, Inkscape and Krita's code bases as I tend to barrow code from all three when working on my own applications... Example

            Take a guess on what this application is being developed to do?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
              No it isn't. They will simply steal the show and will be on a major distro (Ubuntu) first. That is what matters these days. Time to market. Doesn't matter how superior Wayland is. Mir is the way it will go from here.
              They might steal your show but not mine, Ubuntu and Mer is just free development for me and my team. We don't use ubuntu but it's also not above us to pick thru there codebase and take what we want and make sure every other linux distro has the same opportunities.

              If ubuntu had plans for world domination then they should have stayed away from the OSS community, because there are no dominant leaders, only those that produce what the vast majority wants.
              You deviate from that and your nothing more than vapor that once was.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by zester View Post
                They might steal your show but not mine, Ubuntu and Mer is just free development for me and my team. We don't use ubuntu but it's also not above us to pick thru there codebase and take what we want and make sure every other linux distro has the same opportunities.
                Mir, not Mer. Mer is something different, and something that will actually use Wayland: http://merproject.org/

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
                  Mir, not Mer. Mer is something different, and something that will actually use Wayland: http://merproject.org/
                  lol thanks, I do that with "Get and Git" also and I am not referring to the VCS. Its the southerner in me, I have learned to adjust my language in-order to avoid using either of those two words.

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                  • #24
                    +1 for the KDE t-shirt

                    The guy sits there with a Mac, telling everybody about some new feature, probably making Unity behave even more like Apples OS, while wearing a KDE t-shirt. Nice touch that one!

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by SirTrolle View Post
                      The guy sits there with a Mac, telling everybody about some new feature, probably making Unity behave even more like Apples OS, while wearing a KDE t-shirt. Nice touch that one!
                      It's a "Were not Evil" - "Please like us again" - "Look at my KDE shirt" - "And were cool just check out the Mac!!!!" tactic. Unfortunately what they haven't figured out is that everyone other than the fanboys are thinking to themselves ....... "Yes you are" - "No, we fucking despise you" - "Nice I have one to except I earned mine by supporting the KDE community for 10+ years" - "Fuck You and Your Mac Douchbag".

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by zester View Post
                        Take a guess on what this application is being developed to do?

                        What is that?
                        Where can I find more information about it?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by zester View Post
                          It's a "Were not Evil" - "Please like us again" - "Look at my KDE shirt"[...]
                          People at Canonical found probably out, that they need more love from KDE and KWin developers, so that Mir can be more successful. Martin Grässlin - a KWin developer - is not optimistic about the future of Ubuntus flavors.

                          He expressed his thoughts on Mir in a blog post recently: Mir in Kubuntu

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                            What is that?
                            Where can I find more information about it?
                            +1, that software looks very interesting. The '3D' menu has especially caught my interest. Is it commercial or open-source?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                              What is that?
                              Where can I find more information about it?
                              It appears to be LiquidPixel Copyright 2013, Steven Starr.

                              But I'm just taking a stab at it.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by johnc View Post
                                It appears to be LiquidPixel Copyright 2013, Steven Starr.

                                But I'm just taking a stab at it.
                                Its going to be fully open source, I am creating a new topic on phoronix to discuss what this application is and why. When I post it ill come back and update you guys. I dont want to highjack this thread with my own personal stuff.

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