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  • The State Of PackageKit, AppStream, & Listaller

    Phoronix: The State Of PackageKit, AppStream, & Listaller

    Matthias Klumpp has written about the current state of PackageKit, AppStream, and Listaller for cross-Linux distribution package management and installation...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTM3MDY

  • #2
    Given that even Gentoo (*gasp*) supports PK, what's Ubuntu's excuse not to?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by RealNC View Post
      Given that even Gentoo (*gasp*) supports PK, what's Ubuntu's excuse not to?
      They're a special little snowflake?

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      • #4
        PackageKit is used in almost all major Linux distributions, except for Ubuntu. But even Ubuntu has written some compatibility layer, so most calls to PackageKit will work.
        Well, it doesn't seem to be completely inoperational. I wonder what was their reason for doing this - I haven't gotten the dev meeting notes when they were deciding this.

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        • #5
          Am hoping ubuntu adopts linstaller, 0install or Nix...

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          • #6
            Woot, appstore for Linux .

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            • #7
              Originally posted by madjr View Post
              Am hoping ubuntu adopts linstaller, 0install or Nix...
              Ubuntu is creating their own solution as usual so that's unlikely!

              "I find it very sad that so many parties currently start reinventing the basic ideas of Listaller, instead of helping the Listaller project to improve, and kill the remaining flaws," Matthias Klumpp, creator of the Listaller package-management system, wrote in reply to Watson.
              Last edited by nej_simon; 05-13-2013, 04:43 AM.

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              • #8
                When was appstream created and discussed Ubuntu devs where there and they liked the idea.As far as i can tell Ubuntu's collaboration was critical in some way.
                http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...item&px=OTA1MA

                So,
                1st they were collaborative.
                2nd PackageKit was broken and bad frontend for a very long time and a lot of effort when't to fix that on Canonical (not directly to project) end so that we have sensible App management (search/installation/removal) .

                To have a better picture of the situation here is in Michael words :

                Ubuntu's Software Center will serve as the front-end user-interface after it's been ported to utilize PackageKit. Xapian (already used by Ubuntu ) servers will then power the search and utilize the Open Collaboration Service (OCS) for some of the social aspects like user ratings and reviews. The AppStream interface will just be a front-end to PackageKit so that each distribution can then continue rely upon their existing package management systems, but the complexities are hidden from the user.
                Last edited by kUrb1a; 05-13-2013, 05:08 AM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Rexilion View Post
                  Woot, appstore for Linux .
                  I like my package managers just fine, thank you very much.

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                  • #10
                    +1

                    Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
                    I like my package managers just fine, thank you very much.
                    I approve this comment.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Redi44 View Post
                      I approve this comment.
                      Ditto !

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
                        I like my package managers just fine, thank you very much.
                        I disapprove this comment. The reason being that the poster fails to understand that PackageKit is not there to replace his package manager. He probably doesn't understand what PackageKit even is.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
                          I like my package managers just fine, thank you very much.
                          Yeah but what about proprietary SW. Ie a CAD/CAE suite, and any app you need and that FOSS ones can't match.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by RealNC View Post
                            I disapprove this comment. The reason being that the poster fails to understand that PackageKit is not there to replace his package manager. He probably doesn't understand what PackageKit even is.
                            I'm not talking about PackageKit. And I'm already using PackageKit, by the way. What I'm against is "app stores" (yay for copyright Apple terms?). They have useless features and way too simplistic interfaces. Package managers have worked just fine so far, I don't see the need for "app stores".

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
                              I'm not talking about PackageKit. And I'm already using PackageKit, by the way. What I'm against is "app stores" (yay for copyright Apple terms?). They have useless features and way too simplistic interfaces. Package managers have worked just fine so far, I don't see the need for "app stores".
                              To me, PackageKit is an equivalent of the AppStore for Linux. So? I think it's good. No one wants to be bothered by huge lists of packages containing libs and weird suffixes (-dev you say?).

                              Seriously, what's the real difference between tapping on an icon to install AngryBirds, or clicking on an icon to install vsftpd as an FTP-server? They both install software the user is requesting. What is the latter (over)symplifying over the former?

                              That said, I'm wondering how Gentoo is handling Packagekit with respect to useflags (haven't checked it out).

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