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  • #16
    Originally posted by Licaon View Post
    Anyway, the dreams ( http://is.gd/UaVN5t ) are ruined.
    Out of curiosity; why would you even want OSSv5? ALSA has proven itself to be scalable enough to work on pretty much any kind of environment imaginable, it has quite incredible driver support (over 4000 chips) and it's part of the mainline kernel that OSS will never be... and it's actually collaboratively developed.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Teho View Post
      Out of curiosity; why would you even want OSSv5?
      Ask yourself why one switched in the first place. Read post #13.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Teho View Post
        Out of curiosity; why would you even want OSSv5? ALSA has proven itself to be scalable enough to work on pretty much any kind of environment imaginable, it has quite incredible driver support (over 4000 chips) and it's part of the mainline kernel that OSS will never be... and it's actually collaboratively developed.
        If OSS wouldn't have been abandoned by the Linux kernel, the driver support would be on the same level. It's just a matter of contibutions and support and you should know that.
        However of course it's Hannu's fault by making it closed source.

        Originally posted by Licaon View Post
        the git shows some action: http://opensound.git.sourceforge.net...ound;a=summary but I can't see those changes.

        Anyway, the dreams ( http://is.gd/UaVN5t ) are ruined.
        Correct. Development has moved to git.
        Never heard of OSSv5 btw, interesting.. But they really have financial problems see http://web.archive.org/web/201210201...hannublog/?p=9

        Originally posted by Teho View Post
        Are you serious? Both of those articles are outdated and the author is mostly clueless about the subject. Only good thing about the latter article is the comments where Paul Davis (dawhead, the lead developer of the Jack sound server and Ardour digital audio workstation) argues with Hannu Savolainen (the lead/only OSSv4 developer). There's also couple of comments from the profilic Linux kernel developer Theodore Tso.
        Can't be that shitty if those people actually bothered commenting the article and have a discussion...

        Originally posted by Teho View Post
        and it's actually collaboratively developed.
        Hannu plans to move to GitHub. That should increase development I hope...
        Last edited by Nuc!eoN; 04-05-2013, 10:38 AM.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Nuc!eoN View Post
          If OSS wouldn't have been abandoned by the Linux kernel, the driver support would be on the same level. It's just a matter of contibutions and support and you should know that.
          One of the key reasons that ALSA has so good driver support is because it's extremely scalable. If it hadn't met the requirements for mobile use then Android (or anyother mobile distributions for that matter) wouldn't use it and would have written an alternative sound architecture instead (this was true for some hardware in the early days of Android to my knowledge). If it hadn't met the requirements of professional audio equipment then it wouldn't be used in electrical instruments, mixing consoles and so on either. If it hadn't met the needs of modern desktops... well the same story. OSS wouldn't magically be succesful nor would it necessarily have that good driver support even if it had remained in Linux kernel.

          Originally posted by Nuc!eoN View Post
          Can't be that shitty if those people actually bothered commenting the article and have a discussion...
          Well correcting misinformation before it spreads too far kinda makes sense. It definetly doesn't make the original article good.

          Originally posted by Nuc!eoN View Post
          Never heard of OSSv5 btw, interesting.. But they really have financial problems see http://web.archive.org/web/201210201...hannublog/?p=9
          Is there any more recent information on 4Front Technologies / OSSv4 than couple of articles from 2007 and 2009? Accroding to Linkedin Hannu Savolainen left 4Front Technologies in 2009. The latest article in their site is from 2008.

          Originally posted by Licaon
          Ask yourself why one switched in the first place. Read post #13.
          Well wouldn't fixing the couple of issues in the ALSA drivers make more sense?

          Originally posted by Nuc!eoN View Post
          Hannu plans to move to GitHub. That should increase development I hope...
          Source?
          Last edited by Teho; 04-05-2013, 11:30 AM.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Teho View Post
            Only good thing about the latter article is the comments where Paul Davis (dawhead, the lead developer of the Jack sound server and Ardour digital audio workstation) argues with Hannu Savolainen (the lead/only OSSv4 developer).
            Thanks for the info, just read through some of them, very interesting indeed. Especially the conversation between Hannu and Paul Davis.

            Originally posted by Teho View Post
            Accroding to Linkedin Hannu Savolainen left 4Front Technologies in 2009. The latest article in their site is from 2008.
            Hm, dunno. What I know is that Hannu is still in charge of the repository.
            The latest official statements are maybe their annnoucments. The forum is still kind of active (support etc)...

            Originally posted by Teho View Post
            Well wouldn't fixing the couple of issues in the ALSA drivers make more sense?
            That wasn't my quote

            Originally posted by Teho View Post
            Source?
            I talked to hannu via e-mail about a month ago.
            Last edited by Nuc!eoN; 04-05-2013, 11:31 AM.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Nuc!eoN View Post
              That wasn't my quote.
              Whoops! Sorry. Fixed.

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              • #22
                So... 5% faster than 1% AS fast as firefox? So all the way up to 1.05% as fast as firefox.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Teho View Post
                  Well wouldn't fixing the couple of issues in the ALSA drivers make more sense?
                  So I should wait a couple of years before being able to use my "supported" soundcard, right? dammmn now I *have* to test ALSA again

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Licaon View Post
                    So I should wait a couple of years before being able to use my "supported" soundcard, right? dammmn now I *have* to test ALSA again
                    Most of the common soundcards just work (every single thing I have ever plugged to any of my computers for example). The bit more exotic ones like the one you have have varying level of support (because the vendors themselves don't necessarily publish drivers and even if they do it might take some time; otherwise implementing the drivers rely on the community which then again depends a lot on the hardware they have). However Xonar DX should be fully supported in ALSA. It's always possible that the driver reports false timing information and then PulseAudio doesn't work properly. Such issues should be reported so someone might actually fix them. In any case fixing bugs in ALSA driver beats implementing support for thousands of chips in OSSv4 (not to mention all the other features).

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