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    Phoronix: GNOME 3.8 Officially Released

    The GNOME 3.8 Shell, Mutter, GTK+, and other 3.8 components of the GNOME Project were released on Wednesday...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTMzNjk

  • #2
    So now that Gnome has a Classic mode, I wonder if the Gnome 3 hate will die down some... probably not. Haters gonna hate.

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    • #3
      Classic mode

      Is the classic mode some half-assed shit?
      Last I saw some screenshots of it, then it looked really shitty and didn't seem nice at all.

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      • #4
        People miss the point of Classic mode in my opinion - it is not there to recreate Gnome 2, just to bring it's layout to Gnome 3. At it's core it should and does function as Gnome 3 does, just with some slightly different trimmings (which is reasonable). If you want something more akin to Gnome 2 in development, layout, and design just use Xfce. With 4.10 any real complaints against it from those who liked Gnome 2 should be mute anyway - come one, the mouse does not bite. :P

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        • #5
          Have to admit I'm tempted to try it out (the proper Shell, not the potentially half-assed classic mode. I'm sure it will suit many people though).

          Hurry up and land in Arch repos

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Hamish Wilson View Post
            People miss the point of Classic mode in my opinion - it is not there to recreate Gnome 2, just to bring it's layout to Gnome 3. At it's core it should and does function as Gnome 3 does, just with some slightly different trimmings (which is reasonable). If you want something more akin to Gnome 2 in development, layout, and design just use Xfce. With 4.10 any real complaints against it from those who liked Gnome 2 should be mute anyway - come one, the mouse does not bite. :P
            I'm a proud user of Xfce. The only thing I miss from Gnome is more integrated applications. Some applications are not on par with Gnome's counterparts. Obviously because there is much more developers working for Gnome.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Hamish Wilson View Post
              People miss the point of Classic mode in my opinion - it is not there to recreate Gnome 2, just to bring it's layout to Gnome 3. At it's core it should and does function as Gnome 3 does, just with some slightly different trimmings (which is reasonable). If you want something more akin to Gnome 2 in development, layout, and design just use Xfce. With 4.10 any real complaints against it from those who liked Gnome 2 should be mute anyway - come one, the mouse does not bite. :P
              Yeah, it's not identical to Gnome 2 - it just addresses *some* of the G2 features that people miss. For example, it offers the more traditional application menus, and panels with a task list and view of multiple desktops, for people who don't like how Shell normally does those things. But those panels aren't the Gnome 2 panel - you can't move them around, can't add custom applets and stuff. If you want those things, classic mode doesn't help you.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Hamish Wilson View Post
                People miss the point of Classic mode in my opinion - it is not there to recreate Gnome 2, just to bring it's layout to Gnome 3. At it's core it should and does function as Gnome 3 does, just with some slightly different trimmings (which is reasonable). If you want something more akin to Gnome 2 in development, layout, and design just use Xfce. With 4.10 any real complaints against it from those who liked Gnome 2 should be mute anyway - come one, the mouse does not bite. :P
                MATE as fork of GNOME 2 seems a better alternative for gnome users than XFCE.

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                • #9
                  I'd really like to know some of the specifics involved in the Classic mode. Are these 3rd party extension that were adopted by the GNOME devs (if yes what does that mean about their maintenance and development) or were they written from scratch when the decision to create a classic mode in that form was made.

                  Apart from that I'm currently looking at ways to get this running on my F18. Gotta love gnome-shell these days.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Kostas View Post
                    I'd really like to know some of the specifics involved in the Classic mode. Are these 3rd party extension that were adopted by the GNOME devs (if yes what does that mean about their maintenance and development) or were they written from scratch when the decision to create a classic mode in that form was made.

                    Apart from that I'm currently looking at ways to get this running on my F18. Gotta love gnome-shell these days.
                    I believe they were written by scratch by the gnome devs, they are apart of the official repos now, and are maintained by the gnome devs. So either way, even if 1 or 2 of them were adopted from 3rd parties, upstream maintainers are now gnome it looks like.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ericg View Post
                      I believe they were written by scratch by the gnome devs, they are apart of the official repos now, and are maintained by the gnome devs. So either way, even if 1 or 2 of them were adopted from 3rd parties, upstream maintainers are now gnome it looks like.
                      Sounds like the responsible thing to do. Extension have so much potential as a ground for design experimentation or improvement that I hope the main GNOME devs won't limit their adoption to the classic mode.

                      Anyone know of a way to get 3.8 on F18 without upsetting my whole system by jumping to Rawhide or early F19 builds?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                        Is the classic mode some half-assed shit?
                        Last I saw some screenshots of it, then it looked really shitty and didn't seem nice at all.
                        dude, have you ever looked a Gnome 2? That stuff was ugly.

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                        • #13
                          I'm really looking forward to this appearing in the openSUSE repos. Boxes, and Music look especially good.

                          Though I have to say, why did anyone spend any time developing Clocks?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by cbamber85 View Post
                            Though I have to say, why did anyone spend any time developing Clocks?
                            Experimentation is the only thing I've seen mentioned. That blog post also draws inspiration from a fairly long post on how hard it is to design the simplest things.

                            Having said that I agree that the current implementation seems pointless. Not only is the app ugly and screams unpolished mix of nice images, wasted space and crude squares but having it as a separate application that should be launched in the same way Firefox is launched is just bad design. Both it and weather should be integrated in the topbar get smaller and visually leaner.

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                            • #15
                              Many thanks

                              I would like to thank GNOME Team for bringing such an innovative, yet efficient desktop environment without being stopped by the many criticisms it has gone through, which were for the most part, not grounded. I think a good summary of these could be "that's too different for me". Then, I think that what has been considered as not being attentive to their user base was just a necessary carrying on of their main ideas and concepts. GNOME 3 is now another mature alternative amongst desktop metaphors, and together with the likes of XFCE, MATE, Cinnamon and KDE, it proves that Linux can be used just the way users want it to look and behave.

                              Everyday I'm blown away by the slickness of my workflow using GNOME 3.6, which is the desktop environment which made me switch back from Openbox. If it was not for the simplicity and efficiency of this desktop environment, I still would stick with Openbox as my window manager of choice. Great ideas, great integration, great optimisation. That's what I want as far as my desktop is concerned, nothing more : a shell around my major apps, some useful tools without bloat. I know and I understand people who want something else, and I tell them that they're right. But please do not mess with the taste of others. GNOME is great work, and so are many other desktops around, and today more than ever, you have the choice between desktops which all have great support and a concept of their own.

                              Once again, my many thanks go to GNOME Team.

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