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    Phoronix: Ubuntu Unity Existed Before The GNOME Shell?

    Mark Shuttleworth has irritated some open-source developers by his latest claim: Ubuntu's Unity existed before the GNOME Shell...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTMyNDc

  • #2
    Shark Muddleworth is CLA-loving liar.

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    • #3
      This man's lies go on and on...

      I don't know what is the sadest part: That a "humanity-to-others" leader is showing his true colors and is attacking those he leeches from, or the armies of idiots who will take his side?

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      • #4
        He really shouldn't try and get into the mud the Linux community likes to spread about everywhere.

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        • #5
          RedHat for rescue

          I really wish RedHat would invest a little bit more into the Desktop, to fight Ubuntus dominance on the desktop avoiding a vendor-lock-in of the desktop user-space.
          However, when looking at Fedora-18 this won't probably happen overnight :/

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          • #6
            staahp! I'm out of popcorn!
            Redhat's primary interest isn't in the desktop. The best way to change the course of all this is to pick a DE/project, and help out in ANY way you can/want. bugtesting/reporting, translations, uasbility surveys and, if you're up to it, patching and coding.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Linuxhippy View Post
              I really wish RedHat would invest a little bit more into the Desktop, to fight Ubuntus dominance on the desktop avoiding a vendor-lock-in of the desktop user-space.
              However, when looking at Fedora-18 this won't probably happen overnight :/
              You mean the like this?

              https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2013/...-a-difference/

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Linuxhippy View Post
                I really wish RedHat would invest a little bit more into the Desktop, to fight Ubuntus dominance on the desktop avoiding a vendor-lock-in of the desktop user-space.
                However, when looking at Fedora-18 this won't probably happen overnight :/
                Well they already offer the least CLA-dependent desktop and they are not struggling on a financial level. Gnome 3.8 is out in a few weeks so it is just the matter of the community accepting the sofftware.

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                • #9
                  Taking credit or blame?

                  If Mark Shuttleworth's claims are true, that just means Unity is to blame for GNOME shell, and also Ubuntu is to blame for the system of churning out releases every 6 months.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Linuxhippy View Post
                    I really wish RedHat would invest a little bit more into the Desktop, to fight Ubuntus dominance on the desktop avoiding a vendor-lock-in of the desktop user-space.
                    MORE? Do you even have the slightest clue what RH does for desktops? RH is the biggest contributor to GNOME (incl. GTK), does much low-level plumbing work for KDE (Dan Vrátil for example works on screen management and Telepathy-KDE), works on LibreOffice, and so on.

                    Fedora 18's install routine was bad, according to reviewers. So what. Doesn't change RH's commitment to desktops.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ejs1920 View Post
                      If Mark Shuttleworth's claims are true, that just means Unity is to blame for GNOME shell, and also Ubuntu is to blame for the system of churning out releases every 6 months.
                      There's no 'if'. I think Michael saw my post before I updated it - I edited it several times to add extra references and clean up the layout - but I've since added this reference:

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug-ie1sJHuE

                      it's a video of Shell, uploaded by someone not connected with GNOME who had checked it out of git and compiled it himself, in May 2009 - five months before the date of the initial commit to the Unity repo. Five months before Unity got its first checkin, Shell was in a state where a third party could check it out, build it, and run it.

                      It just bugs me - primarily as someone with a degree in history - to see stuff that's clearly not true being bandied about. I'm trying not to get too negative about the whole Mir question, but this is kind of independent of it: I just want Mark to stop making claims that are incontrovertibly not true.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Linuxhippy View Post
                        I really wish RedHat would invest a little bit more into the Desktop, to fight Ubuntus dominance on the desktop avoiding a vendor-lock-in of the desktop user-space.
                        However, when looking at Fedora-18 this won't probably happen overnight :/
                        Heh, you can't win - other people complain about Red Hat having too much control over GNOME. =)

                        We pay several GNOME developers to work on the project full time. I don't honestly know how many, but it's at least 6, I think. But yes, to be honest, the desktop is not a massive engineering priority for RH because it's not where our business is focused. We invest in GNOME as part of our general policy of sponsoring F/OSS development across the board, even outside areas that are directly relevant to our business.

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                        • #13
                          According to Wikipedia, yes, Unity was launched before GNOME Shell did.

                          GNOME Shell
                          Developer(s) GNOME project
                          Initial release April 6, 2011; 22 months ago



                          Unity (user interface)
                          Original author(s) Canonical Ltd, Ayatana community[1]
                          Initial release June 9, 2010; 2 years ago[1]

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Filiprino View Post
                            According to Wikipedia, yes, Unity was launched before GNOME Shell did.

                            GNOME Shell
                            Developer(s) GNOME project
                            Initial release April 6, 2011; 22 months ago



                            Unity (user interface)
                            Original author(s) Canonical Ltd, Ayatana community[1]
                            Initial release June 9, 2010; 2 years ago[1]
                            Those are the stable release dates, which are basically meaningless. It's like saying Linux 'didn't exist' until 1.0 came out - Linus made his famous post in April 1991, 0.01 came out September 1991, but 1.0 didn't come out until 1994. Did Linux 'not exist' until 1994?

                            All the details and dates of when the two actually *existed* are in my post - Shell's first repo commits are in 2008, and there is a video of a functional build of Shell available as early as May 2009. Unity's first repo commit is in October 2009. Mark didn't say Unity had a stable release before Shell did - which would be technically correct - but that it "existed" before Shell did. It's not a meaningless technical distinction but an important one: the context was an argument about who upset whose plans. The 'stable release' date is not significant in that context: it's more significant what project 'exists' in a development context.
                            Last edited by AdamW; 03-11-2013, 06:28 PM.

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                            • #15
                              For the user, Unity existed before GNOME Shell.

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