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  • #46
    Originally posted by AdamW View Post
    We started with a massively simple question which you and others have successfully managed to obfuscate all to hell: which existed first, Unity or Shell?
    Obfuscated the slippy? Oh, my bad. I forgot, it's specific this time.

    Originally posted by AdamW View Post
    They are software projects: lines of code. I don't know whether code or experienced developers are 'more important' (important to what? The Dow Jones? The price of fish?),
    The first question is pretty easy actually answers itself: Which of both actually creates the code? (That wasn't too hard, was it?).
    The second question is even easier to answer: It's the fish.

    Why are you so fixed on LoC? You know, when people tried to find good estimations for the costs of a software projects, they also came up with methods fixed on LoC. It didn't turn out to be so well. It was also tried to scale down dev time with pure man-power. Guess how that worked out.

    And now think about, where would Unity have been (in terms of time), when there was no UNR before.

    Originally posted by AdamW View Post
    but I sure know which one constitutes a codebase. GNOME Shell existed as a functional product at least as early as May 2009. Its codebase's existence clearly and inarguably traces to late 2008.

    Unity's existence as a functional product cannot be proven any earlier than early 2010 (the first anyone outside of Canonical heard about it). Its codebase's existence cannot be traced to any earlier than 2009. This is very simple. We're not talking about who had developers thinking about UI designs or who wrote a netbook interface first. We're talking about the existence of the two projects called 'Unity' and 'Shell'. Unity is not UNR; that much is clearly demonstrated by looking at the damn code.
    We had that already. There is no need to repeat.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by alexThunder View Post
      Why are you so fixed on LoC?
      Because we are discussing when two software projects existed. If we were discussing when exactly a car came into existence, we would go and look for a car rolling off the production lines, we would not start trying to divine when its designer first started thinking about a car that would look a bit like it.

      If you want to know when a piece of software 'existed', go and look for the code. I don't see why you think this is a weird thing to do.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by AdamW View Post
        Because we are discussing when two software projects existed. If we were discussing when exactly a car came into existence, we would go and look for a car rolling off the production lines, we would not start trying to divine when its designer first started thinking about a car that would look a bit like it.
        Adam, while the facts are in your favour, you're not helping yourself with that analogy. Didn't you already insist that release dates weren't important, that the only thing that mattered was when the project started?

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Delgarde View Post
          Adam, while the facts are in your favour, you're not helping yourself with that analogy. Didn't you already insist that release dates weren't important, that the only thing that mattered was when the project started?
          Fair point, I should've remembered that car analogies only get you into trouble. I could edit to say "when the first test model rolled off the production line", though!

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          • #50
            I do not know if Unity was the first. But I think the precursors in Netbook interfaces for Linux were Ubuntu Netbook Remix and KDE Netbook Workspace. Maybe conceptually Shuttleworth has a point.
            This I say when you consider that basically, Unity and GNOME Shell are interfaces for Netbooks (and Tablets)
            Last edited by YAFU; 03-11-2013, 10:20 PM.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by AdamW View Post
              If you want to know when a piece of software 'existed', go and look for the code. I don't see why you think this is a weird thing to do.
              It excludes every previous work.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by alexThunder View Post
                It excludes every previous work.
                If any claims were made about previous work, that would be relevant.

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                • #53
                  And? Gnome shell is the worst DE ever made. Unity rocks. Suck it up . And stop whining already!!!

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Alex Sarmiento View Post
                    And? Gnome shell is the worst DE ever made. Unity rocks. Suck it up . And stop whining already!!!
                    The current conversation isn't about which DE sucks. Calling out facts is not whining.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by RahulSundaram View Post
                      If any claims were made about previous work, that would be relevant.
                      Like UNR?

                      But actually I was thinking of the planning phase i.e..

                      Originally posted by RahulSundaram View Post
                      The current conversation isn't about which DE sucks. Calling out facts is not whining.
                      Don't feed...
                      Last edited by alexThunder; 03-11-2013, 11:13 PM.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by alexThunder View Post
                        Like UNR?

                        But actually I was thinking of the planning phase i.e..
                        The claim that was made is that Unity existed before GNOME Shell. That is a factually inaccurate claim. UNR is a somewhat related but still separate project and no claims were made about UNR.

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                        • #57
                          If by some freak chance Unity was in development before we're even aware, I'd argue that it doesn't really matter as they chose to disclose the project well after Gnome Shell was widely reported on, and publicly under development.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by RahulSundaram View Post
                            That is a factually inaccurate claim.
                            In how far public presence of LoC is "factually" equivalent to existence was subject to the last several pages (and still is).

                            Ingoring all this and starting all over again isn't making it any more factual.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by alexThunder View Post
                              In how far public presence of LoC is "factually" equivalent to existence was subject to the last several pages (and still is).

                              Ingoring all this and starting all over again isn't making it any more factual.
                              It's your turn. Show us any "fact" that says that unity "existed" in any way shape or form prior to any "fact" that gnome shell "existed" You are the one defending the claim so the proof is up to you. I am satisfied with AdamW evidence that he brought to the conversation as showing "factually" that gnome shell "existed" first.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by alexThunder View Post
                                In how far public presence of LoC is "factually" equivalent to existence was subject to the last several pages (and still is).

                                Ingoring all this and starting all over again isn't making it any more factual.
                                Congratulations. I can't believe you actually got people to respond to your trolling for 6 pages.

                                This is how it's done, people.

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