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    Phoronix: Plasma 2 With KDE Frameworks 5 Looks Awesome

    Sebastian Kügler of KDE has talked about progress made on Plasma 2, the port of the Plasma Workspaces desktop to using KDE Frameworks 5 that in turn works atop Qt 5. The possibilities opened up for Plasma 2 due to KDE Frameworks 5 and using an OpenGL scene-graph are impressive and awesome...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTMyNDI

  • #2
    Frameworks5 is about moving as much stuff to the CLA-land known as Qt. That is as stupid as working for free on Mir. say no to drugs and say no to CLA.

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    • #3
      That's eye candy, we had lots of graphics sugar (rotating cube, etc) for so long it's not even funny. They'd rather focus on usability which is the pinnacle of success for a GUI app.
      Last edited by mark45; 03-11-2013, 11:14 AM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by mark45 View Post
        That's eye candy, we had lots of graphics sugar (rotating cube, etc) for so long it's not even funny. They'd rather focus on usability which is the pinnacle of success for a GUI app.
        Scene graph is EASIER to grasp for app devs. Easier to debug, easier to optimize. (And run faster)

        Have no idea why you call transition from Plasma 1 an "eye candy"..

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        • #5
          Originally posted by mark45 View Post
          That's eye candy, we had lots of graphics sugar (rotating cube, etc) for so long it's not even funny. They'd rather focus on usability which is the pinnacle of success for a GUI app.
          That's a tech demo. Nothing more, nothing less.
          For the most part the actual port of Workspaces will be indistinguishable from the current 4.x releases.

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          • #6
            Making graphics effects is easy, using them properly is hard.
            Let's hope Plasma 2 won't be a blur/transparency/wobble/particle/bloom clusterfuck

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            • #7
              Originally posted by przemoli View Post
              Scene graph is EASIER to grasp for app devs. Easier to debug, easier to optimize. (And run faster)

              Have no idea why you call transition from Plasma 1 an "eye candy"..
              because ppl love to give opinions without having at least the decency of try to literate themselves on the subject they are talking about to make it look like they are smart when bashing it vocally among their equally iliterated dudes, ofc is not so smart to do when you do it among ppl smarter than yourself[also know as weak trolling].

              so i assume this guy just saw a shiny thing wobbling and said "Awesome dude" and proceeded to show with his absolute lack of understanding to bash it, using a very ambiguos concept like "Usability"[in a toolkit OMFG] trying to set a fuse for a flame war.

              for originallty he have a A+? .... NO!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
                That's a tech demo. Nothing more, nothing less.
                For the most part the actual port of Workspaces will be indistinguishable from the current 4.x releases.
                Except for performance and precision.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by jrch2k8 View Post
                  because ppl love to give opinions without having at least the decency of try to literate themselves on the subject they are talking about to make it look like they are smart when bashing it vocally among their equally illiterate dudes, ofc is not so smart to do when you do it among ppl smarter than yourself[also know as weak trolling].

                  so i assume this guy just saw a shiny thing wobbling and said "Awesome dude" and proceeded to show with his absolute lack of understanding to bash it, using a very ambiguous concept like "Usability"[in a toolkit OMFG] trying to set a fuse for a flame war.

                  for originally he have a A+? .... NO!
                  Nope I just followed Plasma 2 developemnt for a while. AND I have commented BEFORE I seen article itself :P

                  Plasma 2 have technical argument behind it over Plasma 1. So developing Plasma 2 is not only for "better eye candy"....

                  Now. Either convince me that Plasma 2 in only about "more eye candy" or go read my post again.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
                    Frameworks5 is about moving as much stuff to the CLA-land known as Qt. That is as stupid as working for free on Mir. say no to drugs and say no to CLA.
                    Plasma is LGPL only.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
                      Frameworks5 is about moving as much stuff to the CLA-land known as Qt. That is as stupid as working for free on Mir. say no to drugs and say no to CLA.
                      That's a load of crap. KDE has always used Qt, Frameworks 5 isn't suddenly introducing it now. Also, Qt is a mature platform, you don't need to contribute back to it to make it usable. It's also protected by the KDE Free Qt Foundation which ensures that Qt will fall under a version of the BSD license should the open source variant go more than a year without a release. Mir on the other hand is effectively asking developers to do Canonicals work for free when it doesn't even work yet with the risk it'll be closed up later.

                      Which particular CLA are you referring to anyway? Note that not all CLAs are bad and in fact are often a pretty good idea - and not all require copyright reassignment. You wouldn't want some troll submitting some code to Qt and some time later sue everyone using it for patent infringement would you?

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                      • #12
                        Why is so much effort wasted on this kind of crap? If you want to find something for the GPU to do get OpenCL working and make every app use it for a performance boost instead of wasting GPU cycles on stuff thats only amusing it you have the attention span of a cat.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by gigaplex View Post
                          That's a load of crap. KDE has always used Qt, Frameworks 5 isn't suddenly introducing it now. Also, Qt is a mature platform, you don't need to contribute back to it to make it usable.
                          Yeah it is self sufficient due to its open core business serving closed source platforms. Thank you for bringing this up. Qts business does not depend on beng a good open source citizen; Thus it is a matter of time before they fuck us over. Oh wait they already did.
                          http://qt.digia.com/Product/Qt-Add-Ons/Charts/ Thats right. Thats closed source Qt shit for closed source customers giving a fuck about freedom.

                          It's also protected by the KDE Free Qt Foundation which ensures that Qt will fall under a version of the BSD license should the open source variant go more than a year without a release.
                          thank you for admitting KDEs only weapon is to drop a clustbomb on any gratis version of Qt. Killing of any GPLism is MAD. So no matter what freedom is fucked.
                          Last edited by funkSTAR; 03-11-2013, 12:07 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Kivada View Post
                            Why is so much effort wasted on this kind of crap? If you want to find something for the GPU to do get OpenCL working and make every app use it for a performance boost instead of wasting GPU cycles on stuff thats only amusing it you have the attention span of a cat.
                            I think that the idea is that QML and GL scene graph offer a great basis for an efficient and maintainable desktop. They let you do important stuff easily and efficiently, and this includes compositing, notifications, desktop elements such as taskbars, etc.

                            The funky effects (which were hacked together in short time) are just a proof of concept, showing how easy it is.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by przemoli View Post
                              Nope I just followed Plasma 2 developemnt for a while. AND I have commented BEFORE I seen article itself :P

                              Plasma 2 have technical argument behind it over Plasma 1. So developing Plasma 2 is not only for "better eye candy"....

                              Now. Either convince me that Plasma 2 in only about "more eye candy" or go read my post again.
                              im responding to this in your post " Have no idea why you call transition from Plasma 1 an "eye candy".. " not your post since you are right

                              aka you miss read mine

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