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  • #16
    Originally posted by blinxwang View Post
    Seriously, why is Miguel De Icaza still on the GNOME team?.
    What makes you think he is? I mean, sure he was one of the founders of the project, but that was a long time ago now. He started work on Mono sometime around 2003, and while he kept working on both of them for a while, I don't think he's had anything to do with Gnome in the past five years or more.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by zezba9000 View Post
      Less crashing because you uninstalled Mono makes literally no sense... its not even running unless you run an application that uses it.... While I think its stupid not every little peace of mono isn't Open Source (like MonoTouch & MonoDroid), most of it is and its funny how many C# mono bashing is going to take place here based on false information. Mono is not going away and in fact is getting a lot bigger. Its a great development environment for Linux and for good reason. There are a lot of great developers out there using C# and for them to have a reason to support Linux is a good thing, not a bad one.
      I removed mono-cil and all related software like banshee and replaced with packages like rhythmbox. The mono-bashing, as an end-user in this instance, is technically merited and justifiable in my opinion that anything mono based was not happy on my system, and I replaced accordingly and couldn't be happier with the replacements. Nothing false about that. The dev's chose to work with an environment that wasn't happy with me. I adjusted to suit. Nothing against mono per se in these instances, and the only thing I can really be 'faulted' for is not bringing forward my 2 cents the lack of performance and reliability and bug reports etc. I chose to use something for me.

      Thank you OSS world.
      Last edited by stiiixy; 02-21-2013, 02:16 AM.

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      • #18
        The wrong doings of Qt and Mono are not acceptable. I hope KDE one day will learn to say no. Just like gnome. There is not much these days for KDE since they started to transfer their own code to Qt and thus giving in to the anti-freedom license trap of Qt.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by stiiixy View Post
          I removed mono-cil and all related software like banshee and replaced with packages like rhythmbox. The mono-bashing, as an end-user in this instance, is technically merited and justifiable in my opinion that anything mono based was not happy on my system, and I replaced accordingly and couldn't be happier with the replacements. Nothing false about that. The dev's chose to work with an environment that wasn't happy with me. I adjusted to suit. Nothing against mono per se in these instances, and the only thing I can really be 'faulted' for is not bringing forward my 2 cents the lack of performance and reliability and bug reports etc. I chose to use something for me.

          Thank you OSS world.
          Well if you just don't like "banshee" i'm with you there... But I use Mono heavily and its a very stable platform for application development. A language with a good IDE and syntax can greatly improve a developers productivity and help them resolve bugs. Also I wont be a big fan of Ubuntu(which it sounds like your using) until they move there software over to a rolling release and let the developers handle bugs fixes when there found, rather then forcing everyone to use outdated bugged software for 6 months. Maybe Ubuntu 14 will be the one

          As a end user your opinion matters, but from a technical stand point, i'm telling you there is nothing wrong with Mono itself. If anything "banshee" was written poorly. When Mono 3 comes out, there will be even more reason for developers to use it as it now has MS's open source stack and huge performance increases. Ill be releasing games for Linux with Mono. Until something replaces C# for my needs I have to use it. At the moment nothing compares for my targets.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by zezba9000 View Post
            In response to: "Xamarin 2.0, Their New Code IDE Is Not For Linux"
            -- This is simply not true. Because the IDE is just MonoDevelop 4 with a new name. I would suggest updating the first post as to not give false or misleading information.
            It's true, because their code doesn't serve Linux, but m$. Mono is anti-Linux crap.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by zezba9000 View Post
              Well if you just don't like "banshee" i'm with you there... But I use Mono heavily and its a very stable platform for application development. A language with a good IDE and syntax can greatly improve a developers productivity and help them resolve bugs. Also I wont be a big fan of Ubuntu(which it sounds like your using) until they move there software over to a rolling release and let the developers handle bugs fixes when there found, rather then forcing everyone to use outdated bugged software for 6 months. Maybe Ubuntu 14 will be the one

              As a end user your opinion matters, but from a technical stand point, i'm telling you there is nothing wrong with Mono itself. If anything "banshee" was written poorly. When Mono 3 comes out, there will be even more reason for developers to use it as it now has MS's open source stack and huge performance increases. Ill be releasing games for Linux with Mono. Until something replaces C# for my needs I have to use it. At the moment nothing compares for my targets.
              I've tried every mono application and all of them were unstable mess. Banshee was simply unusable while tomboy was heavier than Firefox. F-spot was much slower than its Vala equivalent, so I see no point in using this shit. When mono3 goes out it should be completely ignored by Linux community, because it's just m$ crap.

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              • #22
                Not actually true.

                Xamarin Studio is a branded build of MonoDevelop trunk - a bit like Chrome versus Chromium.

                All the new Xamarin Studio changes are Free Software, and available right now in MonoDevelop git, and work fine on Linux (Xamarin Studio is still GTK+2, even on OSX)

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by newwen View Post
                  Indeed. Thank god Gnome didn't follow the Mono. De Icaza and Mono had become Microsoft's Trojan horse and they do indeed receive $ from Microsoft. According to M$ “Every piece of code written to our standards is a small victory”
                  Instead, GNOME is following Javascript. AKA ECMA-262. Co-authored by... Microsoft. Good job!

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Pawlerson View Post
                    I've tried every mono application and all of them were unstable mess. Banshee was simply unusable while tomboy was heavier than Firefox. F-spot was much slower than its Vala equivalent, so I see no point in using this shit. When mono3 goes out it should be completely ignored by Linux community, because it's just m$ crap.

                    What he' saying is the apps are a mess, and mono itself is well enough a working language.

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                    • #25
                      Reality:

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                      • #26
                        Reality:

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                        • #27
                          Well, I guess I got all worked up over nothing. Even the article said Windows and OSX though and left out Linux, so I almost felt like this wasn't phoronix hate spin for once. It seems disengenuous for them to leave out Linux as the target of their development studio when developers are by far the largest workforce users of GNU oses.

                          Originally posted by artivision View Post
                          What is a "static bytecode language"? The only thing that is static is a compiler. If i write a C++ program i can staticaly compile it for x86 for example, or i can compile it with LLVM if i have a C++ front-end for LLVM and the binary will be equaly fast wile halfe the size.
                          Statically typed bytecode targeted language. Like Java, not like Scala. Not static vs dynamic linking.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by zanny View Post
                            It seems disengenuous for them to leave out Linux as the target of their development studio when developers are by far the largest workforce users of GNU oses.
                            Xamarin isn't a Linux company. Xamarin Studio doesn't have an official Linux release, as Xamarin.Android and Xamarin.iOS aren't available for Linux.

                            Xamarin Studio, however, is just a badged version of MonoDevelop 4.0 - like Chrome/Chromium. And MonoDevelop continues to work fine on Linux.

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                            • #29
                              What the hell this article has to do with Linux???

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Apopas View Post
                                What the hell this article has to do with Linux???
                                Booth mono and monodevelop is released for linux. But the article is kinda off.

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