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  • #31
    Just to prove that KDE is dying and nobody is intereted in using it:
    http://www.damnocrazy.com/22/arc-ser...e-410-released

    @entropy:
    Poppler allows to just render a specific region of the PDF, at least for the Image backend.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by entropy View Post
      I always thought this a limitation of poppler, which is also the PDF rendering backend of okular.
      Yes, I managed to track the problem to it not being implemented in poppler. Wasn't sure okular used the same. So, still need fr acroread then :/

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      • #33
        funkSTAR keeps saying that Qt is 'bad' because it's owned by Digia but isn't it LGPL? Yeah, everyone would prefer non-copy left license I think but is there a framework like Qt which is not copyleft? Actually only framework with features like Qt I can think of is GLib+GTK and it definitely is LGPL.

        Moreover glib/gtk/gnome have very weird design with C language as default, which results in bloated API, just to facilitate easy python, perl bindings. Qt is C++ and it has perl & python bindings. I just can not see why would anybody go with C for anything. C++ can be used in the same way as C, results in the same assembly when used as C but provides whole new world of possibilities when desired. (I'm talking about syntax only and not STL library!!!)

        Anyway, could somebody tell me in what state glib/gtk C++ wrappers are? I just may try using glib/gtk framework however I'm definitely going for C++ because I've already seen how many lines can one inheritance 'definition' take in C.
        Last edited by Grawp; 02-06-2013, 08:42 AM.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
          Im on drugs? That must be the reason for the missing opacity settings in recent KDE. Every KDE user not seeing the opacity setting must be a drug addict. Are you?

          Its okay you are trolling its moronix after all. But now you have gone counter-factual. Not the best way to promote the dying KDE.
          OH SHIT OPACITY IS GONE? That's it, KDE is dead to me.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Grawp View Post
            Moreover glib/gtk/gnome have very weird design with C language as default, which results in bloated API, just to facilitate easy python, perl bindings. Qt is C++ and it has perl & python bindings. I just can not see why would anybody go with C for anything. C++ can be used in the same way as C, results in the same assembly when used as C but provides whole new world of possibilities when desired. (I'm talking about syntax only and not STL library!!!)
            Making bindings for C stuff is usually easier. The GObject Introspection stuff is a quite neat example.

            Anyway, could somebody tell me in what state glib/gtk C++ wrappers are? I just may try using glib/gtk framework however I'm definitely going for C++ because I've already seen how many lines can one inheritance 'definition' take in C.
            Seems to be up to date.
            http://www.gtk.org/language-bindings.php

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            • #36
              Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
              OH SHIT OPACITY IS GONE? That's it, KDE is dead to me.
              In the meantime you can script missing features on nautilus! Oh wait ..

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              Just installed KDE 4.10 on Ubuntu 12.04(Kubuntu Backports PPA for anyone interested). Runs pretty nice for now.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
                OH SHIT OPACITY IS GONE? That's it, KDE is dead to me.
                Of course opacity is still there - windows are full opaque. What was removed just to get readded as Script (one has to install) is the opacity menu in the window menu (right click on the deco).
                BTW. I have set "scrollwheel on title bar" to change opacity. That's way faster than having to navigate through a menu.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Grawp View Post
                  funkSTAR keeps saying that Qt is 'bad' because it's owned by Digia ...
                  First of all my wording was not "bad" it was more like "fucking piece of shit fucking freedom granted by copyleft".

                  Copyleft is lost when you are dual licensing on terms by the Qt CLA. QT can be closed up by the will of Digia. And KDEs counter measure is to pull the trigger on another anti-copyleft mechanism known as the Qt free foundation. KDE has the right to release Qt under a permissive license(non-copyleft). So yeah right now it is a stand by two entities capable of fucking freedom. While the stand off continues all the Qt shit is sold as commercial closed source shit.

                  And the irony to KDEs anti copyleft clause is that by pulling the trigger their now Qt-upstreamed framework goes non-copyleft as well. Thats scorched earth tactics harming open source.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
                    First of all my wording was not "bad" it was more like "fucking piece of shit fucking freedom granted by copyleft".

                    Copyleft is lost when you are dual licensing on terms by the Qt CLA. QT can be closed up by the will of Digia. And KDEs counter measure is to pull the trigger on another anti-copyleft mechanism known as the Qt free foundation. KDE has the right to release Qt under a permissive license(non-copyleft). So yeah right now it is a stand by two entities capable of fucking freedom. While the stand off continues all the Qt shit is sold as commercial closed source shit.

                    And the irony to KDEs anti copyleft clause is that by pulling the trigger their now Qt-upstreamed framework goes non-copyleft as well. Thats scorched earth tactics harming open source.
                    Except time and time again, people have totally disproven you, and you just care not to listen because for some odd reason you hate KDE/QT, so you just go full trololololo on -every- -single- -post-. BTW, even Linus has went and switched back to KDE (http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTIyMDY) - good enough for the father and founder of Linux, good enough for me.

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                    • #40
                      FACT: Qt is not protected by copyleft.

                      Consider that instead of pulling shit like what Linus uses. That changes quite often BTW.

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                      • #41
                        Best KDE ever

                        KDE 4.10 is the best KDE ever. RC3 was super stable for me. But now I found one little regression: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=314520

                        Can anyone confirm this?

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
                          FACT: Qt is not protected by copyleft.

                          Consider that instead of pulling shit like what Linus uses. That changes quite often BTW.
                          And this is bad why? Just goes to show that he is no fanboy, but rational and uses what is best.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by schnelle View Post
                            Can anyone confirm this?
                            Simply lock your widgets (rightclick desktop -> lock widgets).
                            Or reduce the height of your panel. From a certain maximum height the popup will not have the space to the screenedge anymore.

                            So seems to be "cashew" related.

                            Of course that are only hints for the kde devs
                            You are allowed to use them in your bugreport

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Teho View Post
                              ...and maybe report him for constantly breaking the first four forums rules.
                              It's just sad that the forums where there are quite a few active open source developers answering questions happens to be essentially unmoderated. When a person posts over two hundred posts that all are flamebaits, rude and factually incorrect and doesn't get banned in a forum where those things are prohibited there's something wrong with the site.
                              He is posting his opinions about Qt and KDE. He has right for different opinion. I agree with him many times. Some things are possibly factually incorrect, but not all. He is using profanity like many other users.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by JS987 View Post
                                He is posting his opinions about Qt and KDE. He has right for different opinion. I agree with him many times. Some things are possibly factually incorrect, but not all. He is using profanity like many other users.
                                Just a few notes. Teho is extremely biased.

                                Does he use profanities him self? Hell yes(pun intended LOL).
                                Does he complain about other peoples profaniTies besides mine? No!

                                Profanities or not. He is just hating the fact that KDE made a big mistake going down the aisle with Qt and all it lack of freedom.

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