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  • #46
    Originally posted by korrode View Post
    My current DE is Xfce. With the exception of 'looking flashy', what do any of these other DE's actually offer over it?
    Network transparency, object component model, semantic indexing, unified PIM storage shared between all your applications, standard components and APIs ready for rapid application development, consistent configuration mechanism for all your apps, consistent DBUS-based communication, etc. KDE and GNOME offer all these things because their aim is to provide a complete desktop environment, not just a WM and a panel.

    XFCE is a very basic desktop environment. Nothing bad with that, mind you. If you don't need the additional stuff a desktop environment provides, then you will be happy with lighter setups.

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    • #47
      Most of you seem to be under the impression that they're actually switching to Cinnamon. Even the article admits the proposal will probably be shot down (I'm thinking it's got a snowball's chance in Hell). Articles like this are great for Phoronix in terms of clicks and page hits, but it seems to be a lot of noise and no signal. If I propose Ubuntu moves from Unity to LXDE by default, do I get my own article too?

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      • #48
        It's really funny how some are not willing to use anything but the default configuration of something. So they'll whine and cry until the said configuration is adjusted to fit whatever their tastes are, failing to realize there are a lot of other PITAs like themselves out there asking for the same thing (but with a different configuration of course).

        Get a life, people.

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        • #49
          I've been using Linux for 7 years now, and I've tried many DE's. Personally, Gnome 3 is my favourite. I like the simplification, and power of switching apps with 1 swipe and workspaces auto/add and remove and many other awesome features. Yes, it takes 2x LONGER to start up Gnome Shell than boot into runlevel 3...but hey, you only do it 1 time each month (usually after kernel+nvidia updates). Or not at all. So speed argument...irrelevant.
          I like Cinnamon too, but I like Gnome 3 more. I like XFCE too. And Pantheon. But I like Gnome 3 more.

          What is wrong with shipping Gnome 3 by default, I mean you can install any DE you like, its not hard!!!!
          Or maybe if would be better to make a Cinnamon spin, rather than drop Gnome 3 alltogether from default spin. This way, everyone is happy.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by varikonniemi View Post
            So back with F15 they decided to switch to GS, back in the day when touch screen laptops were nonexistent.

            Now when even Microsoft ditched the traditional "desktop" paradigm in win8, now when touch enabled laptops/tablets are ubiquitous, now they say they want to move back to the traditional desktop.

            WTF Fedora?
            You (along with several other posters here) seem to be confused. Fedora is a open project and anyone can propose any feature they want including you. That doesn't mean that Fedora will accept it nor does it imply that this is somehow the official direction of Fedora. The following article does a much better job describing the process.

            http://www.h-online.com/open/news/it...e-1791455.html

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            • #51
              I can't believe what I'm reading... Seriously...

              First of all, if anything, Gnome 3 has the easiest way to distribute and install extensions, cross distro. So where the idea that Gnome 3 isn't vanilla and blocks users from customization came from... ?

              Also Windows 8 doesn't, whatsoever, ditch the desktop paradigm. It has more keyboard shortcuts than Windows 7. Windows 8 design was intended to bring a converteable, two-faced desktop to computers, regardless of form factor. That includes tablets and smartphones. I've seen Windows 8 installs on OEM PC's boot into desktop mode and include the start screen button, which brings up the old start menu.

              Where do people get all these ideas from? Do they realy have the idea that Apple, Microsoft and Gnome are trying to replace multi-monitor desktops with 10inch ARM terminal touchscreens? Realy?

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              • #52
                Originally posted by meltingrobot View Post
                I just read that Gnome is bringing in a Classic Mode in the next release earlier today. Why would Fedora switch from Gnome to a fork that probably breaks some things when F19 will have a Gnome version that has a Classic Mode option for people that want something more like the Gnome 2 style? I am personally looking forward to more improvements to Gnome Shell myself. If I didn't like Gnome Shell though, I wouldn't expect everybody else to have to have to switch to my preferred desktop UI because I'm too lazy to change the default myself...
                So glad somebody already posted this. With Gnome 3.8 actually adressing peoples concerns, I am still waiting for more people to actually start giving them some bloody credit:
                http://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2013/...-halfway-mark/

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by TemplarGR View Post
                  As for my previous comment about Gnome-shell users being casual, i didn't mean that it is not possible to use it for productivity. Just that it is less effective at it.
                  Less effective for you due to your own habit.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                    I can't believe what I'm reading... Seriously...

                    First of all, if anything, Gnome 3 has the easiest way to distribute and install extensions, cross distro. So where the idea that Gnome 3 isn't vanilla and blocks users from customization came from... ?

                    Also Windows 8 doesn't, whatsoever, ditch the desktop paradigm. It has more keyboard shortcuts than Windows 7. Windows 8 design was intended to bring a converteable, two-faced desktop to computers, regardless of form factor. That includes tablets and smartphones. I've seen Windows 8 installs on OEM PC's boot into desktop mode and include the start screen button, which brings up the old start menu.

                    Where do people get all these ideas from? Do they realy have the idea that Apple, Microsoft and Gnome are trying to replace multi-monitor desktops with 10inch ARM terminal touchscreens? Realy?
                    Actually, they are trying to make a similar move: Not to replace multi-monitor desktop with arm terminal touchscreens of course, but shifting the focus to consumer devices like tablets and smartphones and make desktop an afterthought. This shift in focus is clear for anyone even half-knowledgable of the industry...

                    You can like Gnome shell all you want. No one says that Gnome Shell isn't a nice GUI for its intended audience. We are simply arguing about its suitability as a workstation GUI. Fedora is not a tablet distro and is definitely NOT a casual desktop usage distro: It is a distro targeted at Power-Users and above and a testbed for Red Hat so its focus should be in productivity, not tablet and all-i-do-is-facebook-and-media kind of usage...

                    As for Gnome 3 extensions, don't make us laugh, seriously... Most of them are useless and broken. And there are not many to begin with...

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by finalzone View Post
                      Less effective for you due to your own habit.
                      There is no sane way to work with multiple Windows in a productive manner. It is not my habbit, it is a failure of GNOME. Just admit it and stop being a fanboi.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by TemplarGR View Post
                        There is no sane way to work with multiple Windows in a productive manner. It is not my habbit, it is a failure of GNOME. Just admit it and stop being a fanboi.
                        How do you work with multiple windows in productive manner?

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by TemplarGR View Post
                          There is no sane way to work with multiple Windows in a productive manner. It is not my habbit, it is a failure of GNOME. Just admit it and stop being a fanboi.
                          Oh yes there is. I use Gnome Shell everyday as a graphic/web designer with one hand on keyboard (switching to different workspace) and another with mouse (sometime tablet with stylus).
                          If that means being a fanboy, so be it. It also means you have include all Gnome-Shell users with that label.
                          Seriously, it is your habit. You are too afraid to admit it and to ask for help or suggestion by blaming GNOME.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by finalzone View Post
                            Oh yes there is. I use Gnome Shell everyday as a graphic/web designer with one hand on keyboard (switching to different workspace) and another with mouse (sometime tablet with stylus).
                            If that means being a fanboy, so be it. It also means you have include all Gnome-Shell users with that label.
                            Seriously, it is your habit. You are too afraid to admit it and to ask for help or suggestion by blaming GNOME.
                            Yea habbit is a strong thing. I bet if there were 10 different universes, and each universe had only 1 DE (one had gnome shell, one kde, one ...) all of users would be perfectly happy with their systems. Fortunately, we have choice, so you install what you prefer.
                            Speaking of habbit, how are Windows users productive? I mean their DE is complete and utter shit, and yet they manage to do work. You get used to what you have.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Roberto Dirksen View Post
                              Don't strain yourself. Search for Diet Coda and Codea. This is just the beginning. I have no doubt people will be able to develop apps entirely on a tablet in a few years. Tablets will force software development to advance as well. The post-PC programming languages and tools will be much easier to use than what exists today.
                              Thanks for motivating me... I've got a few android devices, and your post led me to finding AIDE, a Java/Dalvik IDE for Android.

                              It can import Eclipse projects, handles the full compile/sign/install/run cycle on android, has git integration, and can also integrate with Dropbox.

                              My tablet should work nicely with this (HDMI out for a full-size monitor, usb host mode for keyboard/mouse).

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                                First of all, if anything, Gnome 3 has the easiest way to distribute and install extensions, cross distro. So where the idea that Gnome 3 isn't vanilla and blocks users from customization came from... ?
                                Because the extensions people want to use (classic desktop) have been abandoned. If the classic desktop is making a comeback, that's good for the GNOME users, so thumbs up.

                                But you got me interested. In KDE, you click "add widgets", followed by "add new widgets", and you get a distro-neutral online browser which will fetch and install whatever extension you want. It's been there for many years and there are hundreds of applets, panels and widgets which can make it look and act any way you want.

                                In which way is GNOME easier than this?

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