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  • CrossOver 12.1 Ditches Wine-Mono

    Phoronix: CrossOver 12.1 Ditches Wine-Mono

    CodeWeavers announced the release of CrossOver 12.1 on Wednesday. This latest release of the popular Wine-based software gets rid of shipping Wine-Mono by default...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTI4MjM

  • #2
    what I don't really get is why it seems to not use the mono version that ships with most distros and only acts as a shim, but packs its own version (at least that's what I guess form this news and the original mailing list post) ... maybe someone can shine some light on that?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by YoungManKlaus View Post
      what I don't really get is why it seems to not use the mono version that ships with most distros and only acts as a shim, but packs its own version
      Because Wine needs the Windows version of Mono.

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      • #4
        Get rid of this Icaza's crap as soon as possible.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by kraftman View Post
          Get rid of this Icaza's crap as soon as possible.
          This is perhaps the best use of it I can think of - as an OSS reimplementation of a microsoft product used specifically to move from windows to linux.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by dnebdal View Post
            This is perhaps the best use of it I can think of - as an OSS reimplementation of a microsoft product used specifically to move from windows to linux.
            Yeah, but not in Icaza's hands. This jerk is MS sponsored to pollute Linux with MS patents and to fight Qt. The best way is to kill MS products and promote Free and Open Source technology.

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            • #7
              @kraftman

              Agreed.

              There for we should focus on improving free, libre and open source software.
              Improving GTK and Qt is very valuable.

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              • #8
                Something like this

                Originally posted by kraftman View Post
                Yeah, but not in Icaza's hands. This jerk is MS sponsored to pollute Linux with MS patents and to fight Qt. The best way is to kill MS products and promote Free and Open Source technology.
                True, this is the best way.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by plonoma View Post
                  @kraftman

                  Agreed.

                  There for we should focus on improving free, libre and open source software.
                  Improving GTK and Qt is very valuable.
                  Mono is free, libre and opensource. It also brings by default Gtk (as part of package) on Windows, and it's Windows.Forms implementation for example uses ONLY GTK/Cairo components.

                  So you're like arguing: don't fix KDELibs which are the Kde's software middleware, but fix only Qt!? (as Mono is middleware for Mono applications, which have no relations with .Net. No Mono for Andoid application runs in .Net, either MonoTouch application, either Beagle, Banshee as packed for Linux.

                  Your logic eats itself.

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                  • #10
                    also, did anyone of you guys who now flame around about how bad mono is and can do no better than doing ad-hominem-attacs ever work with C#? I do as part of my job and can tell you, it's one of the most awesome languages that I worked with yet (kinda like Java without the cruft). Don't be a FLOSS-Nazi and think everything that originates from a company who does proprietary software is evil without even checking.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by YoungManKlaus View Post
                      also, did anyone of you guys who now flame around about how bad mono is and can do no better than doing ad-hominem-attacs ever work with C#? I do as part of my job and can tell you, it's one of the most awesome languages that I worked with yet (kinda like Java without the cruft). Don't be a FLOSS-Nazi and think everything that originates from a company who does proprietary software is evil without even checking.
                      Have you worked with D? Because from what I've seen, C# is what amounts to an interpreted version of D built around a proprietary virtual machine.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
                        Have you worked with D? Because from what I've seen, C# is what amounts to an interpreted version of D built around a proprietary virtual machine.
                        C# is more like a cross between Java and C++.

                        And it can run natively, so it's not an "interpreted version" of anything.

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                        • #13
                          Just like Python then. And we all know python is cool - unlike mono

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
                            C# is more like a cross between Java and C++.
                            So is D.

                            Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
                            And it can run natively, so it's not an "interpreted version" of anything.
                            So can Java.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by varikonniemi View Post
                              Just like Python then.
                              well, not quite ... the statement that c# is interpreted is obviously bullshit. It's compiled into an intermediate language and then JIT-ed during runtime (like Java)
                              Originally posted by varikonniemi View Post
                              And we all know python is cool - unlike mono
                              1st part: no disagreeing there. 2nd part: all a matter of propaganda imo.

                              Python opened my eyes how nice programming languages could be (before had worked with Java mostly). I esp like not having to use curly brackets as they are shitty to reach on german keyboards . On the other hand I missed statically typed interfaces (I generally prefer to know what data type I should pass to a function).

                              C# is awesome because you can work really fast with it (like Python). Statically typed, but you can use type inference for local variables (so no more CrazyLongClassName xyz = new CrazyLongClassName()), the .Net framework is obviously amazing at doing the common tasks for you, and I think at least 80% of my new code is LINQ (arguably the app I work on does mostly transforms on stuff it gets from DB -> perfect for the job) which makes it easily readable (nested foreachs are so fugly).

                              But imo the strongest point for C# (from a programmers perspective, as I said I don't give a fuck about ideology) is that is has a damn good development environment (visual studio) with tools integration (eg. nuget to say the least). I mean I know that every language has some kind of package download tool (or even multiple which is imo even worse than having none at all) but none is as easy to use as just right-clicking on a solution and saying "manage dependencies" and you have all your current dependencies and the whole package repository in a nice UI. Normally you have to go to a command-line and do "easy-install xyz" or something which imo sucks bad from user experience PoV (and yes, the developer who wants to develop in your language _is_ your user!).

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